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Looking at Bro. Stanford’s New Codes Report (Summary)

5 Jan

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After review of brother Stanford’s report we have no alternative than to conclude it is not supportive in convincing us to change course and rely upon the New Codes as –Inspired. Let us review in summary the points raised in his report–

Only a few people are questioning the New Codes

Not true. Just the mere fact that Mt. Dale has some members questioning them is alone evidence that this issue is not a “few here and few there” situation. In fact being brought up as one of the recent topics of discussion in their session shows the level of awareness they now have.

Being involved in the work for several years now, we get a good view of the brethren’s views on many topics and can assuredly state that there is a sizable group of DSDA who reject the New Codes as inspired. So let’s face the situation as it is, not how we hope or think it should be.

Look to the world’s authorities to help explain the meaning of the words in the Rod

This one point seems very outlandish. To find out the meaning of certain words in the Rod, according to BS , we should consult the world’s dictionaries. The word “publish” should not be interpreted as how the Rod explains, but the world’s dictionaries! This is  not  in accordance with the “writer’s point of view” (See Tract 3, p.91).

The so-called sermons were preserved in the “card files”

As mentioned, no cards of the sermons have been publicly shown as far as we know. But, even IF they were, the issue of authorized comes into play. Can we trust someone who was not at all led of God, to pull them out behind gazing eyes and publish them? Is Florence Houteff’s integrity above-board? Of course not! She began her devilish work on the VERY DAY VTH died (calling a business meeting to discuss, among other things her future compensation).

Being put away by the prophet and NOT published should mean something to us, especially when no written authorization was ever produced to giving instructions to release them for post-mortem publication. Some were put away 15 or 20 years for publication later?? Make no sense at all. Unlike Florence we KNOW God was directing brother Houteff’s entries into the Golden Bowl (those authorized and published by VTH).

No evidence of any brethren disputing them in the pioneer days

False.

“..We may pardonably emphasize the fact that when the Council’s predictions and program as set forth in Codes, Vol. 14, Nos.6,8, and 9, come to naught (30th day of this April [1959] is the absolute limit of the 3 1/2 years embraced in their own pronouncement: “..we have already [November 1955] entered the period of forty-two months…” — 11 Code 1:13:3it will be the private predictions and the private program of the new- Code and new-Carmel, not the inspired program of the ROD which will thus be denuded of integrity, discredited, and humiliated. The ROD and genuine ROD Davidians will endure to the end to finish their Heaven-ordained mission to the Church and to the world.” (Our bold highlight added) (“protest letter” dated April 9, 1959 by some original DSDA brethren).

It was common understanding among the pioneers that Florence had an agenda “program” and she used the codes as her vehicle. True, some of the pioneers had no reason to think she would falsify her published codes, but in hindsight this appears simply due to her status as the “faithful wife”, a cover that later we all know was exposed. Many, unfortunately were simply proving the old adage “can’t see the forest for the trees.”

Those who engage in a deep study of this New Code issue and do not believe in them are –infiltrators.

Here, we must say is one of the most disturbing aspects of Errol Stanford’s report. An almost Pharisaic approach to this issue will certainly do more harm than good. Brethren , such as this writer, will not stop encouraging others to “weigh the issue” based on ALL the facts, then carry forward and do as Jesus says “How readest thou?” In other words, find the underlying truth here and carry forward but DON’T condemn those who study this issue and come away with a different belief.

Right now as mentioned there is a serious discussion as to the truth/inspiration of these New Codes, even within Mt. Dale. And if we dogmatically proclaim that brethren who don’t see this issue like us are–“infiltrators, deceivers, lost, dangerous enemy” or such, we mount the judgment seat on an issue that is not black and white. Oh , how we wish it  was!!

If we go the opposite of Stanford’s dogma, and tell people who believe in them they are lost, we unfortunately must also condemn many of our faithful pioneers such as one of brother Houteff’s main supporters and close confidant–brother H.G. Warden. He almost single-handedly kept the DSDA ship sailing during the knock out blow period (1959-1963). From many documents of the early days post knock out blow, the pioneers appear to have supported them and even mentioned their references in the sessions and meetings. This is why we cannot with a wave of the hand condemn all those who believe in them past or present (more on this at end of report).

Apparent contradictions between Old Codes and New Codes aren’t really contradictions.

False. In fact BS inadvertently showed us one of the KEY reasons why the New Codes should not be followed as inspired. Let us review.

There appears at least one main major difference in the Codes. The New Code believers say that the time of Jacob’s trouble will, to a large degree take place pre-Ezekiel 9. They speak of  some type of literal persecution (even a death decree) coming to the DSDA then. However , this can be shown to directly contradict the original Codes, let us read again–

“After the sighing and crying ones were marked(which is not to be understood as
being consummated in its entirety worldwide before the slaying follows anywhere), the slaughter completed, and the matter reported, the Lord “spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels even under  the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city.” Ezek. 10:2.

Unfortunately BS then mis-interprets the above and says —

“Notice the point of focus in this paragraph: “which is not to be understood as being consummated in its entirety worldwide before the slaying follows anywhere”. This is in perfect harmony with the statement expressed in 11SC 7: 8-9. (Blue Book 591). “You notice here that the angels are not told to hold the winds until Ezekiel 9 has all been fulfilled, but until the servants of God are sealed.”

The one statement is saying that the hurting by the angels could start before sealing is fully completed, and the other statement is saying there could be some trouble by the winds before Ezekiel 9. Now the problem only comes if we mark out an EXACT time line for each event as though there could be no blending or overlapping.” (see our part 2).

To which we responded —

Note: The marking is not to be understood as being completed (consummated) in entirety BEFORE the slaying (of Ezek. 9) starts (anywhere). What BS has done is mis-read the text! He has taken liberty to say “the slaying” as being a different slaying apart from Ezek. 9.

How do we notice this? Because the CONTEXT shows us only ONE slaying it speaks about –Ezek. 9. Further we see that the marking (sealing) is the main point here and shows us that  the marking will be consummated ONLY AT THE EZEK. 9 EVENT.  Not before this.

This one reference actually proves BS’s whole idea–wrong. Because he and those in agreement with the New Codes all teach that there will be an “intervening time”. In other words, the sealing is completed before Ezek. 9 , which Inspiration just said won’t happen(“not to be understood as being consummated in its entirety worldwide before the slaying follows anywhere” ).

Thus we see that the original codes allow no such “intervening time” because the marking is still going on up to Ezek.9. The only place one may find such ideas is the New Codes. There are many other contradictions but suffice to say, this one alone is so clear and was produced by BS that we need not say more. For those who wish to get what we feel is the best report out there on this New Code controversy, we suggest the following link —

http://www.davidiansda.org/NewCodes-BRC.pdf

Final Comments —

What we have here is a confusing issue, which unfortunately has been with our history post knock-out blow. Why do we say confusing? Because from our analysis “some” of the New Codes appear to be truly brother Houteff’s writings, such as those in volume 13, that deal with the Sabbath (no.5-6,7-8,9,11-12).

Brethren read those carefully, they are so deep, scientific and powerful that we cannot imagine Florence Houteff or anyone else, save the prophet, from writing such wonderful and inspiring words! This is what the “Spirit of Truth” has guided us personally to see.

So, bottom line we have a mix of truth and error. In other words we have–compromise. Thus it behooves us to say that due to the unfortunate circumstances of Florence Houteff and/or her crony council involvement in a) their unauthorized publishing of them b) her known apostate behavior–even starting at VTH’s death! c) proven serious doctrinal contradictions, we CANNOT support the idea of them as –Inspired.

We hope this report has helped clear some of the cobwebs on this issue and that you, in the closet of prayer, research this issue FOR YOURSELF and let the Lord’s  “Spirit of Truth ” guide you.

 

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Looking at Bro. Stanford’s New Codes Report (Part 4 of 5)

23 Dec

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We continue with part four….

RECAPPING AND CONTINUING

Thus far we have clearly seen and refuted the doubtful argument made, that to “publish” means only what has come through the printing press. Brethren, we also want to continue to be logical thinkers and not bait hunters. To objectively know the meaning of a word,what do we consult? A dictionary and/or an encyclopedia, or do we take someone’s private opinion?

This false premise is addressed in  part one.

Since we have already established this point, using an official and respectable dictionary of the English language, we reaffirm our correct procedure according to good sense, logical thinking and Inspiration.

To reiterate, when someone stands before a congregation of witnesses and presents a subject once (or more so twice), certainly that subject cannot be treated as a rumor. Not even in a secular court, would two or three consistent witnesses be treated as saying rumors. Reliability is even more decisive when the sermon or presentation is recorded; written on his card files as in the case of all brother Houteff’s sermons.

If we are not mistaken, no “card files” with the authentic sermons has ever been produced for viewing to the public. But let us not forget brethren, this is really a mute point because , as we have shown the New Codes have teachings and ideas that are at odds with the message. This alone, should make us weary of their legitimacy. And additionally as many Davidians know the issue of authorization is not a minor point as well.

NO authorization from VTH has ever been produced saying that they were to be written out  and published into the Golden Bowl at anytime, especially after his death. This was the apostate Florence Houteff’s/and/or her crony council’s decision. The Prophet was not led of man or the adversary (like we all know Florence Houteff was to formulate the knockout blow), he was led of God  to put into the Golden Bowl what he was told. AUTHORIZATION,  is one of the KEY issues here.

Certainly, we cannot overemphasize the need to be clear and “logical thinkers and not bait hunters.” Still further an unfair comparison has been made trying to confuse the above points comparing them to unfounded reports of what sister White ever said, and of her sensible advice to go to her writings to know in reality what she said. Sister White is obviously right. But notice the crucial point, brethren. If sister White had designated persons to record her sermons that she preached in the presence of a congregation, she would NEVER deny the record as to what she preached, nor would she treat reliable witnesses as saying rumors.

For this reason therefore, we must not allow ourselves to be confused by unfair comparisons. Bro. Houteff’s sermons were indeed recorded. Clinching the point here, we see that the sermons that bro. Houteff preached are not a question of what one or two persons asserted that the prophet said. They were recorded sermons preached before a CONGREGATION of witnesses and sometimes the same sermon waspreached more than once. (5 Answerer 55-56). Clearly, therefore, the statement about teaching only that which is published, includes all that Bro. Houteff wrote and preached before his congregation of witnesses, and had recorded on his card files.

I guess the question we could all be asking the one who wants to rob us of the Sermon Codes, is where in all the many quotations offered it is said that we should discard the prophet’s sermons along with the recordings in his card files? We are still awaiting any such references, that evidently do not exist.

The reference to avoid being extremists is good. But how can we ever be extremists when all we are doing, is accepting what the prophet wrote and preached on specific dates? Is it not rather extremism, or insincerity to conveniently ignore the dictionary definition and context of key words, when it suits a person’s plans or unclear motives?

At this point we’d like to ask brother Stanford, who is this “one” who is against the New Codes? Lennox Sam and his organization? Is it UPA7.org? Yours truly with our blog reports? The idea  that there is but a tiny few who are not in agreement with these New Codes is false brother Stanford. There is not “one” but many who are coming to the forefront to raise this issue up and to get it straightened out.This movement is wider than many think, we are sincere seekers of the TRUTH and as such we’ve looked at ALL the facts about these Codes and come to the “logical and sensible” conclusion that they are compromised.

We are aware  some of the leaders there at Mt. Dale came into this message through bro. Don Adair,and were taught from the very beginning that the New Codes were inspired and thus to this day that is the current understanding that Mt. Dale has. But make no mistake God has brought this issue to the forefront for a reason.

Inspiration says–

“There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation.” (CWE, p. 35)

“We have many lessons to learn, and many, many to unlearn. God and heaven alone are infallible. Those who think that they will never have to give up a cherished view, never have occasion to change an opinion, will be disappointed. As long as we hold to our own ideas and opinions with determined persistency, we cannot have the unity for which Christ prayed.” (CWE, p.37)

Evidently as time goes by a prophet gets more and clearer understanding of the
prophecies.If there is an intervening time between the sealing and Ezekiel 9, does not mean that he whole Mark of the Beast system would start,culminate and terminate in one day.Obviously not. The fact that the winds are being held shows that the preparations are already made by the enemy and the activity must be held back for the sealing to complete. This harmonizes with 5T p. 152.

Here again, we should point out that BS already showed us in his report that there will be no intervening time by quoting the Rod (Tract 1, p.38-39). When we carefully read that statement we can see that the New Code ideas are in direct contrast with the original Rod as published and authorized by VTH.

Quoting earlier statements in the first years of a prophet’s message should never be used to contradict the modifications or updates made by the prophet later as he or she gets fuller and more complete revelations of light with the passing of time.

Absolutely. For instance, we know that the Rod suggested we return the Tithes to the Mother church at the beginning of the Rod scroll. Then later this was modified to change it to the DSDA Leviticus built organization.

Consider still another point, brethren. Do you realize that Jesus did not write any portion of the New Testament? The Apostles published his sermons. Shall we be extremists, concerning “that which is published”, also excluding Christ’s sermons and questioning the memory of the Apostles? I trust that we shall not be that fanatical.

This point is not at all on point and we consider it a stretch and faulty reasoning. “Extremists” are not those who take up the deep and studious study of searching for Truth in the New Code issue. Once we do that , only those who are “stuck” in denial of the compromises that exist within them and about their history, will term them as “inspired”.

Historical ? Yes, based on the weighing of evidence. Inspired? No, based on the facts.

CONCLUDING SUMMARY

It should be very clear at this points that the prophets sermons preached on the specified dates are fully as reliable as his written work.min fact his sermons were recorded on his card files. Praise The Lord for this. Praise The Lord indeed!

We see also that while the time of trouble is to be essentially after Ezekiel 9 while on his way home to Palestine, the types show that as Esau and Jacob struggled in the same womb (same church) before they were delivered or born, we know definitely that in the antitype there will be this terrible trouble (struggle) for Jacob with his brother Esau– (the Laodiceans) BEFORE the144,000 (Jacob) is delivered. Thus we cannot dogmatically say that there will be no time of trouble for Jacob with Esau before the event.

The Sermon Codes are in harmony with this point and it makes a lot of sense, since, to reiterate, Jacob and Esau were from the same womb (church); and as dead Esau cannot give trouble to Jacob, the trouble with Esau must necessarily be before he (Esau) is dead in the slaughter of Ezekiel 9. In this way there is perfect harmony with type and antitype concerning Esau and Jacob. Please remember that where there is no type there is no truth. Thus Jacob will have trouble before and behind, in harmony with the message and Codes.

We highlighted the red area that speak directly to the truth of the matter. However, BS’s idea that the JTT prior to Ezek. 9 includes a “death decree” or other such drastic trouble from the USA government is false, and not supported by the original Rod. 

We showed in our part three that the Rod affirms “trouble before” for Jacob prior to the church judgment. And truly many of us have experienced this trouble from Esaus in our church. Timely Greetings, Vol. 1, No. 45 , p.14-15 supports this view.

We’ll finish this series with a final summary in our last part 5.

Looking at Bro. Stanford’s New Codes Report (Part 3 of 5)

16 Dec

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In our last part 2, we discovered some mis-reading of the references. This is not minor, but rather very important in our search for Truth of these New Codes. We are in the part of the report where BS tries to explain the harmony between the Old and New Codes. In his first example, he fails to give us harmony there, Let us continue.

Next BS explains that because Esau and Jacob were from the same father, then in order to fulfill type, we as Davidians much be persecuted by the “Esaus” in our church and that can only happen pre-Ezekiel 9. After that there will be no more Esaus within the SDA church. He posts the following quote —

“Two Classes Of People
The Bible says the twins represent two classes of people. If this is true, then we have two classes of people in the church. One class is represented by Esau, the other by Jacob.Referring to Testimonies to Ministers, page 46, we read:”There are two opposing influences continually exerted on the members of the church. One influence is working for the purification of the church, and the other for the corrupting of the people of God.”

One of the twins was red and hairy, and the other smooth and white. Both people are sinful. Why? Because Esau was red, which is scarlet, the sign of sin. Jacob was white, but the name betrays the man, for the name “Jacob” means “deceiver.”

Symbol Of Birthright
Esau was the one born first. Whatever was to be inherited by the birthright was to be Esau’s. The law of the Bible is that the first-born had the right to the priesthood. For this reason, Jacob coveted Esau’s birthright. Esau, then,represents a class of priesthood.” 1 SR 53,54.

“Thus Inspiration makes it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR the time in which this struggle and deliverance must take place. Jacob and Esau are from the same womb, same church with one father. And as Esau cannot attempt to take the life of Jacob with the help of gentile soldiers, after Ezekiel 9, he must attempt this killing of his brother (Jacob’s time of trouble), before Ezekiel 9.

This is an irrefutable point: how can Esau persecute Jacob after he is dead in Ezekiel 9? Can the dead Esau come back and persecute his brother (unless we believe in spiritualism, and reject Eccl. 9:5,6, that the dead know not anything)? Now according to the Bible and Inspiration, Esau and Jacob were from the same womb (the same church in our case), (See also 1 TG 45:12-16, 23; 1TG 49:7) in which they struggled even before birth(Hos. 12:3; Gen. 25:22-23).

Moreover, Esau did nothing less than attempt to kill his brother along with 400 gentile soldiers. So could our brothers in the Laodicean church (from the same womb), do this to us in the antitype after they are dead in the purification of the church? Did not the prophet explain that “where there is no type there is no truth.”? (1 TG 47:14,15). 1 Obviously they cannot persecute the 144,000 in any form after they are dead, therefore this antitypical persecution of Jacob by his brother in the SDA church, must take place BEFORE Ezekiel 9. Jacob consequently will have trouble before and after Ezekiel 9, but will be delivered.” 

As we have posted so many times before we MUST get out our SROD Index and review ALL the references on Jacob’s time of trouble (or any subject) , to properly put it all together in a harmonious way. Otherwise if we cannot do this, we should, as the Rod counsels, admit we do not have enough light on the subject.

The truest part of Bro. Stanford’s words here are highlighted in red. That is why we cannot harmonize all the references unless we realize there seems to be two applications of Jacob’s time of trouble, one from the SDA church (pre-Ezek. 9) and one from the world’s Esaus (after Ezek. 9). Let us look at some supportive references showing the case —

Isa. 66:5, 6 — “Hear the Word of the Lord, ye that tremble at His Word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for My name’s sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but He shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.  A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the Lord that rendereth recompence to His enemies.”

  “Some have already had the experience of being carried bodily out of the churches for no other reason than for having read “The Shepherd’s Rod,” and for having said, “I believe what It says.”  Of course, it is incredible that men should act like demons.  It is nevertheless so, and God Himself testifies against their demon practice. 

We do not pity ourselves, and are not at all angry at our adversaries, but we are sorry about their spiritual blindness, misery, poverty, and nakedness, for we know that the coming joy is to be ours, and the sorrow and shame and gnashing of teeth, theirs.  This we know as verily as Jacob knew that God was with him in his flight from the face of Esau.

The Esaus of today, though, do not know this.  No, they do not know it any more than Esau of old knew of Jacob’s night vision of the ladder that extended from heaven to Jacob’s dew-soaked bed.” (Timely Greetings, Vol. 1, No. 45 , p.14-15)

The Rod acknowledges the existence of “Esaus” in our church now. As rightly so! How many of us, including brother Houteff himself, have been abused by the Esaus within our church in one form or the other? But we got to harmonize it with the following —

6.   That the angels’ letting loose the four winds to blow over the four corners of the earth (Rev. 7:1), does not anticipate a world war but rather a world-wide decree enforced throughout Babylon by the image-beast, and that then no one may buy or sell save he who worships “the image.” Rev. 13:15-17.

7.   That subsequently, the time of Jacob’s trouble (Jer. 30:7) for the 144,000, the sons of Jacob, logically develops on their way home (Gen. 32:1, 24) to the land of their fathers (Ezek. 36:28; 37:21, 25).(Fundamental Beliefs, p. 13)

Looking at the above FB beliefs, how can we square away the two different time periods? BS’s report has a timely reference in it to help us out —

“The trouble lies in the fact that the questioner draws for these events a prescribed line that is altogether too narrowly confined to time, that is, taking for granted that because the time of trouble is to be in the time of the plagues, it could not commence before. Then too, a large proportion of what he read in the publications in question [word to the little flock), must not be taken as absolute time-prophecy of the events mentioned, but simply as an interpretation of Scriptures as they were understood at that time…”(3 SC #1, p. 10)

Notice  the important word “develops”? Even though the time of trouble has it’s start in Bro. Houteff’s day, and we experience it today, it continues until it develops into the post Ezekiel 9 Jacob’s time of trouble, apparently the most serious time of the trouble and the primary application. This is the only way we can harmonize those two references.

We see that this time comes AFTER the church judgment of Ezek.9. We know this because the winds aren’t let loose until after the sealing of the 144,000 takes place. We learned in our prior post from 1 Tract, p.38-39, that the sealing concludes at the same time as Ezekiel 9 occurs (See Testimonies to Ministers, p.445). Inadvertently BS showed us that in his report!

The S.D.A. church, repeating the history of the Jews (5 T 160), will be swayed by its “priests” and “rulers” today to take a course against “the faithful servants of God “similar to that followed by the priests and rulers in their treatment of Christ’s and the apostles’”. As the 144,000 become more and more like their Saviour, “the light of the world.” making manifest the “darkness and error” enveloping the church, the leaders in their “fanatical hatred” of the saints will move “the mob to a mad fury” against them and, in desperation born of blind and raging hatred, will reach out for the civil arm of power to accomplish their evil ends, merging the following type into antitype.(Sym. Code, vol. 1, no.9, p.3).

Swayed indeed!  Yours truly has been a part of the “siege team” a couple of times and have witnessed the fanatical spirit of some of the SDA leaders (mob fury), including calling the police on the Sabbath trying to get us either arrested or taken away  from the premises. Sister Patricia, and her family have been physically escorted out of the church by the strong-arm of the police! Doing nothing but sitting quieting in the seats with her children. Many others have experienced similar strong-arm tactics.

“By having instilled in rank and file throughout Laodicea an unprecedented fear and prejudice against reading or hearing anything but that which enjoys someone’s official sanction and blessing, Satan’s subversives have sought to sever the lines of communication between the Spirit of Truth and the people of God.  Then to hold them in subjection to themselves and their worldly standards, they threaten with disfellowshipment and perdition any who, fearing God more than man, would dare venture to know the Truth for themselves. 

And the few who do have the courage to carry out their convictions, straightway in consequence become targets for the Enemy’s fiercest darts of opposition, — bitterest prejudice, scandalizing falsehood and character defamation, ridicule and scorn and hatred embarrassment and hardship. 

Thus “all that will live godly in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 3:12) find themselves “outcasts” (Isa. 66:5; Luke 6:22; Acts 24:14) at the hands of persecutive forces perpetuating and even outdoing the worst that was ever in Judaism and Romanism.  And what is still worse, when these revivalists of tyranny, clothed in apostle like robes, succeed in confusing and overthrowing the faith of an investigator or of a follower of Truth for this very time, they compel him to submit to rebaptism in order to be readmitted into church fellowship, even though he has become more faithful than ever before!  What astounding blasphemy!”(White House Recruiter, p.54-55)

Persecution indeed from the Esaus in our church today, we cannot dispute this.

Moreover, Esau did nothing less than attempt to kill his brother along with 400 gentile soldiers. So could our brothers in the Laodicean church (from the same womb), do this to us in the antitype after they are dead in the purification of the church?

Yes, there could be made a case in the “primary” application, post Ezek. 9. Just as the Rod shows the timeline of JTT as after Ezek. 9 in the FB’s, SOP also has several references placing this also in the time of the Loud Cry, even in the time of the plagues (See  GC, p.615-616, Patriarchs and Prophets, Page 201-203).

As for being Esaus in the church after Ezek. 9, we know that the church will become a new church (purified) and as such no Esaus will be inside it. But it will be filled with Gentiles (Great Multitude).So we are left with the understanding that the persecution part of the anti-type in the post Ezek. 9 timeline , may come from the  purified new member’s (Gentiles) former churches– their Esaus.

How else can we harmonize SOP and the ROD’s post Ezek. 9 persecution from Esau? We admit that the clarity on this part of the subject is not crystal clear.

SHOULD WE NOT BEWARE OF THE SAME ERROR: drawing a line for these events
that is “too narrowly confined to time”, thinking that Jacob’s time of trouble will only take place after Ezekiel 9, or that it cannot start before? Shall we make the same mistakes as the Pharisees? Shall we reject God’s messages in the Codes and call them false inventions because some persons cannot harmonize God’s time line with their own interpretations? Shall we let the enemy rob us of vital truth because we are too hasty,superficial or too prejudiced to diligently and prayerfully seek out the underlying harmony?

Agreed, the narrow timeline is often a mistake. However when we let sink in the above references , we then see that indeed JTT starts within our SDA church, even beginning with Brother Houteff’s time! This timeline is not a narrow one and is very harmonious with ALL the references from the ORIGINAL codes.

In tract # 15 p. 60,61, Ispiration explains that the winds and angels bring about the “great and dreadful day of the Lord.” –two armies in conflict. The nations against the saints, and God’s judgments falling upon his enemies. Page 61 shows that the angels (see Tr # 1 ) can begin to hurt right after the sealing (not necessarily waiting until after Ezekiel 9).

Once again we are puzzled by BS’s mis-reading of the references.Let us read Tract 15, p.61.

“..that the nations from the north and from the south, from the east and from the west were engaged in World War I, and also in World War II, although the 144,000 are not yet sealed, is another irrefutable evidence that the trouble which is forecast by the winds’ blowing and the angels’ hurting, is yet future.  That it is a global disturbance, is again seen in the fact that the winds on the one hand, and the angels on the other hand, are to trouble both earth and sea.

   It being a foregone conclusion that Satan is against the saints, and that the Lord is against the truth-hating and evil-doing multitude, the  subject becomes crystal clear: When let loose, the winds are to strike against the faithful “remnant,” against those who are left after the earth has opened her mouth and swallowed up “the flood,” the “tares” (Rev. 12:16, 17); but the angels who are stationed to hurt, are  to smite those who make war against the remnant. 

Those whose names are found in the book, are “delivered.” Dan. 12:1.  Seeing that the 144,000, the servants of God, are not as yet sealed (not yet enclosed, protected, guarded, and ready to take their stand with the Lamb on Mt. Sion, but rather are still commingled with the tares) the angels are commanded to forestall the clash.

   Consequently, when this sealing work is completed, then the angels who hold the winds, will let the winds blow, and the angels who are to hurt the earth, sea, and trees, will then commence their given work.” 

The red highlighted reference clearly shows the winds hurting AFTER Ezek. 9 which is the consummate time of the sealing. There exist no “intervening time” from the original Codes, written and published by Brother Houteff.

BS should not be teaching things that are not so according to the “Thus sayeth the Lord”.Another mis-read of the text unfortunately.

Note:
“Jacob’s wrestling with the angel typifies the time of “Jacob’s trouble” (for the church). We read in Early Writings, pages 36, 37: “A decree went forth to slay the saints, which caused them to cry and night for deliverance. This was the time of Jacob’s trouble.” See also Patriarchs and Prophets, pages 202-203.

A decree went forth to slay the saints. Now who can dogmatically say that there
can be no government or Assyrian order to slay God’s servants before they are
delivered, before Ezekiel 9?

Did not the authorities kill the Branch Davidians in Waco Texas?

BS  stands  upon the assumption that the “winds are let loose” pre-Ezek.9 allowing government persecution of the saints. As we have already clearly shown this is NOT shown in the original Codes. The only place he can find that idea is in the New Codes. Again this is paramount. One view sends us down a cloudy confusing path, the other to a harmonious clear path.

There will be NO DEATH DECREE prior to Ezek. 9. This is one of the hallmark false ideas spread by believers in the New Codes. So to answer BS’s question  who can dogmatically say that there can be no government or Assyrian order to slay God’s servants before they are delivered, before Ezekiel 9?  Those who trust in God’s ORIGINAL Rod and not the New Codes.

…to be continued in Part 4

Looking at Bro. Stanford’s New Codes Report (Part 2 of 5)

8 Dec

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In our last post,  we ended with the issue of witnesses and bro. Stanford’s summation that their were supportive witnesses. And yes there were, however there were a sizable non-supportive group of DSDA who did not go along with them.

Next we see BS (bro. Stanford) make the point–

“Shall we now more than 50 years later allow a non-witness to rob us of these priceless treasures because he cannot harmonize them to his satisfaction, or be one who may actually have another agenda?”

He suggests that because those who disagree with the often confusing, contradictory and false private predictions of the New Codes may have anagenda”, we sure would like to know what that agenda is? Is it to disrupt Davidia? Is it to mount the judgment seat with this issue to exalt self and our causes?

We do not believe those who stand against them have a desire to anything but “get it straight” and stand upon the more sure word, the Rock of Jesus.

Personally speaking, we do not have an “agenda”, rather we WANT THE TRUTH and only want It proclaimed among us.  So rather than claim those who dis-agree with the New Codes may have an agenda, how about trying to see it through the fact that many DSDA are “studying for themselves” in order to be approved and discovering way too many areas of compromise within them?

“Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” ( 2 Tim. 2:15)

What the enemy did to Seventh Day Adventist through infiltrators, as reflected in this scripture, (see 1 Answerer p. 70), don’t you think that he will try to do to Davidians (rob and spoil us of our precious truth through sophistry or other means)? Shall we not be on guard? The prophet warns us: “Teach the message as it is—add nothing to it, neither take anything from it. …”

Please let us be aware that there are several ways of taking away from God’s word. One of the most subtle and hence, more dangerous, is to take away the effect of his Word by casting doubt on its authenticity. Let us be wise like the Bereans and know that some of the most dangerous enemies of the Message are it’s pretended friends.

Did you know that according to brother Stanford, you are considered a “most dangerous enemy of the Message” and linked with the likes of Florence Houteff, Ben Roden, etc, because you don’t believe in the New Codes? Did you known that once we start an honest discussion about the truthfulness of these Codes, and share and express our doubts and concerns, we arecasting doubt on its authenticity.”?

Right here we can see that BS truly needs to humble himself in prayer and cease from the exalted judgment seat. Thankfully we know God is raising up people right now within Mt. Dale who are challenging this long-held and neglected area of the compromised New Codes.

Let us remember this goes both ways. Those who are at the diametrically opposite position of Stanford, those who condemn those who believe in them, likewise are mounters of the judgment seat. We’ll discuss this more at the end of our series, in our summary. Let us continue.

Apparent Contradictions in Old and New Codes

In this next section of BS’s report he starts by showing how even the Bible, Rod and SOP can be made to contradict itself. Of this we agree and among his quotes he uses is —

“Those who have not been in the habit of searching the Bible for themselves, or weighing evidence, have confidence in the leading men, and accept the decisions they make; and thus many will reject the very messages God sends to His people, if these leading brethren do not accept them.” — Gospel Workers, p. 303; Testimony to Ministers, pp. 106, 107.

One thing we note here is that the very quote BS uses should be carefully studied and applied unto himself. By that we mean that as one of the main leaders of Mt. Dale, he has a responsibility to “get it straight” on this subject because he is one of the more vocal leaders and often leads out in some of their projects as evidenced by being the pro-Code spokesman for the Mt. Dale’s last session.

After several examples of Scriptural, SOP, and Rod “apparent” contradictions, BS then goes on to explain  how harmony is found within with the New Codes and original Codes.

Now let us seek for “the underlying harmony” in the apparent contradictions.

TIME OF JACOB’S TROUBLE.
There are references showing that Jacob’s time of trouble is after Ezekiel 9,the
purification of the church. There are also evidences and types to show that there will be a time of trouble for Jacob with his brother Esau before the purification.

So is there really a problem? In reality no. Jacob will have trouble “before and behind”, before the purification and after the purification. Now let us examine these harmonious positions.

Here we agree. This is plain to those who study the Rod. In other words, there appears a double application, although not named as such in the Rod. Although we as DSDA must go by the “pillars” of our faith the –-Fundamental Beliefs. Our primary application here (after Ezek. 9). We would never think to insert a stick for a pillar, trying to use some supposed references from the Rod as paramount to the FB’s timeline.  

The following references establish that on his way home to Palestine, Jacob will have trouble: 2TG #10, 29-31; FB 12,13; 2SC #9:6; 2SC #1:9-10;10SC#8:4;11SC #1:13; 13SC #1,2:10.” Since no one questions these–(trouble for Jacob after Ezekiel 9), we need not elaborate on this. 

But here are other points to consider, which though on the surface contradictory, are in reality evidence of good underlying accord. Let us look at 1Tr. p. 38,39; and 11 SC 7:8-9.

We will also compare the two statements one from the Old Code or literature and the other from the so-called “New Codes”.

“After the sighing and crying ones were marked (which is not to be understood as
being consummated in its entirety worldwide before the slaying follows anywhere), the slaughter completed, and the matter reported, the Lord “spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels even under  the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city.” Ezek. 10:2.

Notice the point of focus in this paragraph: “which is not to be understood as being consummated in its entirety worldwide before the slaying follows anywhere”. This is in perfect harmony with the statement expressed in 11SC 7: 8-9. (Blue Book 591). “You notice here that the angels are not told to hold the winds until Ezekiel 9 has all been fulfilled, but until the servants of God are sealed.”

The one statement is saying that the hurting by the angels could start before sealing is fully completed, and the other statement is saying there could be some trouble by the winds before Ezekiel 9. Now the problem only comes if we mark out an EXACT time line for each event as though there could be no blending or overlapping.

Important Counter point -BS’s mis-read of the text.

Stanford explains the first of his underlying harmonious discrepancies. Let’s review and re-read an important part of 1 Tract, p.38-39 reference.

“After the sighing and crying ones were marked(which is not to be understood as
being consummated in its entirety worldwide before the slaying follows anywhere)…”

Note: The marking is not to be understood as being completed (consummated) in entirety BEFORE the slaying (of Ezek. 9) starts (anywhere). What BS has done is mis-read the text! He has taken liberty to say “the slaying” as being a different slaying apart from Ezek. 9.

How do we notice this? Because the CONTEXT shows us only ONE slaying it speaks about –Ezek. 9. Further we see that the marking (sealing) is the main point here and shows us that  the marking will be consummated ONLY AT THE EZEK. 9 EVENT.  Not before this.

This one reference actually proves BS’s whole idea–wrong. Because he and those in agreement with the New Codes all teach that there will be an “intervening time”. In other words, the sealing is completed before Ezek. 9 , which Inspiration just said won’t happen(“not to be understood as being consummated”).

Read the whole context–

“And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt Thou destroy all the residue of Israel in Thy pouring out of Thy fury upon Jerusalem?  Then said He unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great,…and as for Me also, Mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity.” Ezek. 9:8-10.

   After the sighing and crying ones were marked (which is not to be understood as being consummated in its entirety worldwide before the slaying follows anywhere), the slaughter completed, and the matter

Tract 1                            38

reported, the Lord “spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city.” Ezek. 10:2.

When we take the reference in context we obviously see that the slaying mentioned is the slaughter of Ezek. 9, not some  different slaying added by private interpretation. BS’s idea is certainly showing a mis-read of the text.

The following shows where the New Code believers get this idea of hurting or slaying by the angels prior to Ezek. 9 —

“You notice here that the angels are not told to hold the winds until Ezekiel 9 has all been fulfilled, but until the servants of God are sealed.  Therefore, if there is any intervening time between the close of the sealing and the slaughter of Ezekiel 9, there is a possibility that the winds could start blowing during that time.  If the nations had everything ready, it would not necessarily take long to bring the trouble that is represented by the four winds.

We do know from this scripture that God will restrain the winds until the sealing is finished, for according to verse 3 of this chapter a message was sent to the four angels instructing them to hold the winds until the sealing of the 144,000 is finished.  It shows that the Devil is doing all he can to loose the winds as soon as possible, perhaps even in a day.” (11 SC, no. 7, p.8)

Do we see why there is real discrepancies in the New Codes versus the original?  This is but one example of the contradictions that yours truly, along with many others, believe Florence Houteff/and or her hand-picked council attempted to put into the Golden Bowl!

Here is another point to consider. The fear factor

Why would Jacob be exceedingly afraid as projected in Jeremiah 30:5-8 “every man with his hands on his loins as a woman in travail”, if Ezekiel 9 has already passed and he consequently knows that he is alive and therefore sealed and cannot die?

Why would he be afraid if he is already sealed to be part of the 144,000 who cannot die, for nothing can take his life? In short, why would the sealed and protected (144,000) be terribly afraid? It would only make sense if this takes place BEFORE Ezekiel 9, when they are not sure who is sealed. Why should they be frightened, knowing that they are sealed and cannot die?

This is nothing more than doubting in the Rod because as we will see it is the ROD who places Jer. 30:5-8 in the time of “returning to the homeland”. Let us carefully read the reference —

We QUOTE from 1 TG 47:14-15

Jer. 30:7 — “Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the
time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.”

“The people that have come to this antitypical time of trouble are returning to
the homeland, are comforted. Apparently it is bad enough to frighten all, but
God’s encouraging counsel is, “Fear not.” Plainly, the burden of this chapter is concerning the antitypical returning to the homeland. Though terrible the trouble may seem, yet the outcome of it is to be the same as in the type.

Right now we may not appreciate this study as we ought to, but the time is soon coming in which we will dig as fast and as hard for it as we would to get out from under an avalanche. Those who have but little faith in the Word of God though, the study will not do them much good. Now is the time to start cultivating the faith we need to have then.”

Some questions on this same point:

“Would there be any persons of the 144,000 (the escaped ones), with “little faith in the Word of God”after the sealing and Ezekiel 9? Would not this have to be before?

Once again these questions cast doubt upon the clear word of God. Re-read the text again.Plainly, the burden of this chapter is concerning the antitypical returning to the homeland.”

Is pre-Ezekiel 9 “returning to the homeland” timeline?

Also, after Ezekiel 9, why would the 144,000 who are sealed, safe, delivered from the slaughter and protected, need to be fearfully digging “as fast and as hard for it [this study] as we would to get out from under an avalanche.” This would only make sense in their trouble BEFORE Ezekiel 9, does it not? Consider also in the following quote, the emphasis and significance of the word “before”.

Private doubts are cast again upon the Rod. Let us stand  firm on the Rod and not be taken and snared  by presumptuous and salacious questions such as these. If God said it, it will come to pass, that is all we need to know. Are we to know all details and purposes? No, that is why our “faith” in the word “as it reads” is paramount.

….To be continued in Part three.

Looking at Bro. Stanford’s New Codes Report (Part 1 of 5)

27 Nov

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As we continue our series of the New Code debate, due to the fact that we were thrust into it by Mt. Dale using our blog here as a counterpoint to their official stance on these Codes, we decided to look closely at brother Errol Stanford’s report in support of these Codes. This report seems to be the official or at least the latest one on the New Codes.

It is quite a lengthy report but we shall address the major points he makes. Following the heels of our last report showing that Florence Houteff had the motive and means (New Codes) to complete her scheme to clean out the store, so to speak, we can segue into Stanford’s report and by God’s grace see if it stands upon the “more sure word” and is solid. In other words is it “Logical” and compiled by a “Close Reasoner” as the Rod would say?

To be sure, after reviewing this report, Stanford appears quite dogmatic in his stance. This makes Mt. Dale certainly more uneasy as they have several (and some high ranking) members who do not share this report’s viewpoint. The sources we speak to share many of other brethren’s viewpoint that this Code issue cannot be used as a “Thus sayeth the Lord” due to the many compromises proven.

We do not want to say a mutiny is coming but we see that this issue MUST come  to some solidified official stance and it cannot be the same old same old. Times have changed with more brethren all across Davidia coming into more facts and historical understanding of this issue. As we mentioned before, the first and one of the best, in our opinion, report exposing this issue was from Lennox Sam and Michael Graham’s report. Other brethren have posted helpful reports as well since then exposing the situation. This has now finally come into Mt. Dale’s lap, and by God’s providence it will be set  straight.

Our prayer is that the Spirit of Truth will have His way with us —

“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; He will speak only what He hears, and He will tell you what is yet to come.” (John 16:13)

Let us begin.  (His words will be in green)

CAN THE NEW CODES (PUBLISHED AFTER 1955) BE VALIDATED?

“There are a few persons today who are questioning the authenticity of the sermon Codes published after bro. Houteff’s death in 1955. (From 10 Symbolic Code # 7 to 13 Symbolic Codes, #’s 11, 12). They claim that they may not be genuine because they were published after his death and there are apparent contradictions between the earlier published works by the prophet himself and those of his sermons/writings published afterwards. Can the New Codes be substantiated? It is the purpose of this article to address these important questions and issues.”

Stanford begins by trying to minimize this issue “a few persons”. No, it is not a “few persons” brother Stanford–it is ALOT of persons. Here we can gain his mindset showing that the issue according to him is simply a greater belief in Davidia vs. the tiny few. While it may be that more believe in the authenticity, that number is shrinking and the opposing view is gaining as more facts come to the surface via electronic media today.

Now what does the word “publish” mean? For maximum objectivity we shall consult an official English dictionary. Let us take the Miriam Webster dictionary, for example. Here the word is defined.

a) To make generally known
b) To disseminate to the public
c) To make public announcement
d) To produce or release for distribution, print
e) To issue the work of an author.

From the above official dictionary definition we see that the word “publish” is NOT limited to the printing press. Consequently, when the prophet preaches a sermon before a congregation or group of persons, it harmonizes perfectly with the dictionary mean of “publish” –making known/ announcing, etc.

The first official  point Stanford tries to make is that the “world’s” interpretation of the word “publish” should be used to clarify God’s word and It’s meaning, yes unbelievable as it sounds. Then by the same token why don’t we look up “Woman” in the dictionary for the word “Woman” in Revelation, doesn’t that make common sense? Now brethren this is truly an illogical stretch here. His first point seriously misses the mark.

The ONLY way we can get the correct interpretation of the word “publish” is by review  of how the Rod makes use of that word! Stanford or anyone else can never show one reference from the Rod showing anything other than the meaning “published” meaning the Rod writings. For solid proof  see 1 SC- no. 8, p.8, 1 SC- no.7, p.5,6, 3 SC- no.5-6, p.14 and 2 SC -no.12, p.11. This is the Rod’s viewpoint and interpretation of “published” and not a private man’s view using a “foreign standpoint”.

“The most common cause of doctrinal confusion among Bible students lies in their so very frequently failing to view a subject in full perspective from the writer’s point of view, — a failing which results in their seeing it from some foreign standpoint so narrowing their view that instead of gaining the writer’s idea on the subject, they gain a false idea on it.” (Tract 3, p.91)

At this point we’d like to show a very interesting dialogue from brother Houteff and long time S.D.A pioneer M.L. Andreasen.

“The most satisfactory part of the interview concerned the matter for which the interview had been sought: that of confirmation on his part the public statements published in the two volumes of the “Shepherd’s Rod” were still his belief and teaching.

I mentioned that it was often the case that a man in his early published views, made statements that he would later gladly retract, and that this might be the case with him. If this were so, I would like to know, for I did not wish to use anything that he later repudiated.

On this matter he was certain. He turned to me and said: “We do not work that way. We do not claim that the words are inspired but the idea is. We do not change our teaching, and have not done so. What is published we still stand by and always will.” (Letter by Gen. conf.field secretary from M.L. Andreasen, Dec. 25, 1942)

Here we see that VTH and Andreasen showed the mutual understanding of “published” and that is the –writings. What VTH stands by is the written published word.

It is clear Stanford needs to make this leap of mental gymnastics to lay one of his foundational pillars for believing in the New Codes. But we can see this first point is not well grounded.

At the point we want to present several solid reasons/evidences why the sermon Codes are trustworthy, scriptural and genuine sermons of Bro. Houteff and then we will address the apparent contradictions and show the underlying harmony. Here are solid facts to consider:

1. The sermons constituting the so called “New Codes” were presented (published) by Bro. Houteff on the specific dates given before many believers as witnesses. And now we have seen the English dictionary has validated sermons as being included in the word “published”.

2.         Bro. Houteff’s sermons were usually reproduced verbatim (word for word) by
designated persons, or written by himself for presentation, and found in his card files.

3. Thus to question the reliability of memories to reproduce the sermons is not valid; there was no question of depending on persons’ memories. You only had to consult the card files.

4. These sermons were published shortly after Bro. Houteff’s death while many of the members and witnesses who heard the sermons were alive and could readily identify with what was preached by the prophet.

5. There is not a single record of any of the numerous brethren on Mt. Carmel and elsewhere, making the slightest protest concerning the genuineness of these sermons or even insinuating that they were changed, when they were published.

6. They were not printed 10, 20, 30 or 40 years after his death. Praise God! They were published very shortly after his death, some even the very next year. To repeat, most of those who heard these specific sermons were alive and able to verify. But best of all the sermons had been written, and not just presented orally.

7. Some of the sermons like “The latter-day confederacy” were presented more than once by bro. Houteff. See 13 SC # 2,3. Thus there were double records in his card files.

The bible says:
“…. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.(2 Cor. 13:1-3)

Now since the Bible tells us, “in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established.” Shall we not follow this biblical principle? Yes, the Bible is always right. Some of these witnesses like Bro. Don Adair, are still alive. Besides we have had several older Caucasian brethren who were part of Waco and heard Bro. Houteff’s sermons, etc, brethren who have been in Mt. Carmel New York, HQ for many years, and there never was the slightest doubt about the genuineness of these sermons. Shall we now more than 50 years later allow a non-witness to rob us of these priceless treasures because he cannot harmonize them to his satisfaction, or be one who may actually have another agenda?

Here we see that Stanford attempts to make his second point or pillar of truth, that because there are witnesses that heard the sermons, they were/are legitimate for written publication. But let’s carefully dissect this view-point.

“The sermons constituting the so called “New Codes” were presented (published) by Bro. Houteff on the specific dates given before many believers as witnesses.”

In our report on a recent three-part blog post called “Let’s have thousands of home storehouses” we show that the “old timers” made use of and supported the New Codes in their reports and sessions. This is why we believe that we cannot summarily sweep aside this issue dogmatically , as some present truth believers do, and say those who do believe in them are lost. Our history proves we must each individually search this issue out and be convinced in our own mind after due diligence study.

The only TWO who we as DSDA know who are still alive and proclaiming the message are brother Don Adair and sister Bonnie Smith. However they were but children during all the sermons posted under the New Codes and can’t be relied upon for solid substantial witnesses other than describing some of the old timers views on them.

But we want to highlight something here that needs to be addressed. Yes, the early (post VTH) Davidian groups showed an acceptance of the codes back in the days after the death of VTH, but there were objectors to these codes . This part though, Stanford ignores and doesn’t address in his report. Once the evidence was clear that the New Codes were being manipulated by Florence Houteff and her hand-picked council,  to have an agenda (42 months doctrine by Florence Houteff) some of the more observant DSDA voiced their objections to them.

The objecting DSDA made it clear to FH and her council through their “protest letter” dated April 9, 1959, just days prior to the knockout blow, the following —

“..We may pardonably emphasize the fact that when the Council’s predictions and program as set forth in Codes, Vol. 14, Nos.6,8, and 9, come to naught (30th day of this April [1959] is the absolute limit of the 3 1/2 years embraced in their own pronouncement: “..we have already [November 1955] entered the period of forty-two months…” — 11 Code 1:13:3, it will be the private predictions and the private program of the new- Code and new-Carmel, not the inspired program of the ROD which will thus be denuded of integrity, discredited, and humiliated. The ROD and genuine ROD Davidians will endure to the end to finish their Heaven-ordained mission to the Church and to the world.” (Our bold highlight added)

These pioneers knew very well the manipulation of the New Codes was their vehicle, their “private program”, thus compromise and a cloud of suspicion rested clearly with FH and her council by the observant old timers in regards to their published New Code program.

….To be continued in Part two.

Mountain Dale Letter

18 Aug

 

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Open Letter to Mt. Dale Leadership

Greetings in our King’s name and may we continue to strive to be among that number to stand with Him in that glorious kingdom so very near!

Intent —

“God does not propose to remove all occasion for unbelief. He gives evidence, which must be carefully investigated with a humble mind and a teachable spirit; and all should decide from the weight of evidence.”– Testimonies for the Church , Volume 3, p. 255

In this report we’d like to highlight what we saw in the session and also we’ve seen and heard over the last few years working in His vineyard concerning the controversial new codes. We hope that this will help our brethren “weigh the evidence” and then make that decision in the closet of prayer.

Session —-

May we suggest more preparation and planning for session next year. This year it was not well prepared and as the people proclaiming the Lord’s Elijah message we should valve this time we get together and make it a special media event like in times past when it was published on Live Stream.

New code discussion —-

Many of us were disappointed in the fairness of the discussion. It was very one sided. Because of this we felt it important to let the brethren know that instead of a few quotes and a couple paragraphs from HEARYETHEROD blog post, we should present more concrete evidence and to weigh the situation properly.

Controversy —

For many decades Davidians have simply taken the new codes as a part of the Golden Bowl. This began to change in late 1990’s as brother Lennox Sam and Michael Graham undertook a thorough study of the new codes, it’s history, the so-called errors, the hiding of many new codes, etc.

While many of us believe that today, unfortunately bro. Sam has departed from the original message to a large degree, nevertheless, his report was in-depth and today stands out as one of the most thorough historical accounts of the new codes.

Personally, I believe there is some good evidence for both sides. When one looks at Vol. 13, no.5-6, there appears great and deep answers to Sabbath observance. It all appears very deep and true, such as our prophet would write.

However, take Vol. 11, no.1 for example. This new code was published by Florence Houteff, as all the new codes were, and it actually declared what the 42 months anti-type prophecy was concerning Rev. 11! Soon this code disappeared from distribution. Why? Because it was flat out error.

This is what makes these new codes controversial –error mixed with truth. Some Florence Houteff codes truth and some error. That is the history of these new codes.

Extremists —-

Because there is good points on both sides, those who take the position that one is lost for taking this side or that side, we feel is– an extremist. The Lord ,we all know took the reins into His own hands after the knockout blow and preserved the Rod movement and kept it from disintegrating, yet nearly all those old timers believed in the new codes. Historical writings from the sessions and meetings confirm this.

Are we going to say all those faithful pioneers, like brother Warden, brother Green, brother Sidney Smith, sister Bonnie Smith, etc.–are lost? Likewise because the new codes have been compromised as a thorough study proves are we going to say that those who don’t believe in them are lost as well? Either way both are extreme positions.

It was mentioned after this session’s code discussion by one of Mt. Dale leaders that “Satan” is trying to take us off the message, implying that those who don’t believe in the new codes ,don’t’ believe in Inspiration and are thus working for Satan—this is extreme and uncalled for brethren.

Questions and comments —-

1) Why are the “missing” new codes not distributed yet were published by Florence Houteff?

10 Symbolic Code No. 8
10 Symbolic Code No. 9
10 Symbolic Code No. 11
10 Symbolic Code No. 12
11 Symbolic Code No. 1
11 Symbolic Code No. 5
11 Symbolic Code No. 9
11 Symbolic Code No. 10
11 Symbolic Code No. 11
12 Symbolic Code No. 10
14 Symbolic Code No. 1
14 Symbolic Code No. 6

NOTE: According to SAM/GRAHAM REPORT they were found. They exist at the Carroll Collections Library at Baylor University in Waco, Texas. They can be viewed in person (not online).

2) Has Sam/Graham’s request to make these missing new codes known to the brethren ever been considered by Mt. Dale?

3) Why do we allow Florence Houteff/her council’s false prophecy private words to be part of the Golden Bowl? “a fact and approaching reality” says Florence Houteff?

“On September 21, 1936 Brother Houteff made the remarks concerning the possibility of trouble coming to the church after the sealing of the saints and before the slaughter of Ezekiel 9, and if so what the results would be and why. Since Revelation 11 has more recently been unfolded before us we should be able to see that it is not just a possibility, but rather both a fact and approaching reality that trouble is coming to the church before the slaughter of Ezekiel 9. None therefore need be ignorant concerning what we must now be doing about it.)” {11 SC no.7 p.3)

4) The SAM/GRAHAM REPORT made the startling discovery.

“Brethren, we would like to draw your attention to some more startling facts. The symbolic codes in the 5 volumes now being distributed are not complete Codes there are many missing pages, which are shown in Exhibit “I”. Was this an oversight or were these pages lost, as some brethren were told? The answer is a big loud No! Why are we distributing portions of these New Codes? Is it because there are some errors found in them? Or did we simply had no access to them, if so, we now do, the complete Symbolic Codes can be found at the Carroll Library at Baylor University, Waco Texas.”(SAM/GRAHAM REPORT)

“11 SC. No. 2 actually contains in excess of twenty-six pages. Why are we only distributing the first fourteen pages? In addition, we are not even distributing page fourteen in its entirety. Why! Why! Why see Exhibit “I” No. 3. We are splitting Symbolic Codes and even splitting pages so as to avoid the errors found therein.”(SAM/GRAHAM REPORT)

NOTE: These questions was asked of the Waco brethren and as far as we know never answered from Waco and now we ask this question anew to Mt. Dale. Very Important questions that should be answered if we are to get to the bottom of this controversy!

Main Differences —

There appears two main differences (generally speaking) with the new code teachings and the original codes published by VTH.

1) Jacobs time of trouble occurs before Ezek. 9 per the new codes
2) Jacobs time of trouble occurs after Ezek. 9 per original codes

1) The new codes shows the “Confederacy” making severe trouble to Davidians (possible death decrees, going before Gov. councils to answer for our faith, etc.) before Ezek. 9.
2) The original codes do not show this

Summary —-

As this issue has come before us, let us take it seriously and look at all the information to properly decide. We are counseled to “weigh the evidence”. This short report is general in nature and certainly some other brethren may have additional information to show opposition to believing the new codes as inspired.

One important point I would like to make is that we are NOT advocating that Mt. Dale is a false organization. We believe that it and Waco are two organizations that God is using to bring the Truth to Mother and spread His Elijah message. We remain committed to supporting Mt. Dale

Let’s ask the Lord to “guide us into all Truth (John 16:13) He will not fail us. Thank you for your consideration to this important matter.

Three reports to help weigh the subject–

1) Sam/Graham Report http://www.davidiansda.org/NewCodes-BRC.pdf

2) Stanford Report https://drive.google.com/…/1Zhnz7K_Uqbtjf6RTB-lkI_GHfA…/view

2) HEARYETHEROD Report https://hearyetherod.wordpress.com/…/…/14/authorized-by-who/

Applicable Quotes —-

“Hear and Count the Evidences on Both Sides Before Firing For or Against “ (GCS cover page)

“WARNING.
Do Not Deeper Fall Into the Pit But Get Out.—Teachers of Present Truth, having before them the example of the tragic results caused by conflicting teachings by the S.D.A. ministry and, in addition to this, having been repeatedly warned to teach only that which has been revealed, and published, stand in great condemnation before God when they set forth conflicting or unauthorized views on any subject. Be absolutely certain that you are teaching according to that which is written, and not according to that which you may think should be or will some day be written. Failure to comply with this requirement will disqualify anyone as a worker in this cause.” (SC, vol. 3, no. 5-6, p.14)

“There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation.” (CWE, p. 35)

NOTE: the above was submitted to Mt. Dale FB website “Golden Bowl Ministries” , we await their reply.

Mt. Dale Reviews the New Codes

11 Aug

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This week a very big event occurred within the Davidian world. Mountain Dale decided to at long last bring the long simmering issue of the new codes to the fore front. They made it a top priority of discussion items for this year’s session in New York. God’s Spirit is moving brethren, rest assured.

SOP counsels us —

“There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation.” (CWE, p. 35)

We often quote that to Mother, yet it might as well be very applicable to us about the new code issue! Our long-held “doctrine” among many DSDA that the new codes are part of the Golden Bowl will not lose anything upon close investigation–if it is truth.

Ok a little back drop before we begin. This author came into the message in May of 2011. Soon after, we were made aware of the controversy about the new codes. Unfortunately some “militant” brethren tried to tell us that the new codes are “evil” or “the work of Satan” etc. Those who believe in them and proclaim them are lost.

Not knowing the “whole picture” and being relatively new to the Rod message we tended to side with this idea. But over the years we discovered that there truly is “two sides” to the issue. Thus we came to the conclusion that instead of being dogmatic like some brethren, we prefer to see this issue as a “how readest thou” issue instead of a  “condemn them at all costs” issue. But this is a whole separate report in itself.

But nevertheless we were persuaded that the new codes really should not be a part of the Golden Bowl. There is just too much problems with them (authorization, errors, historical blunders, etc.).  So we began to reach out to other brethren with our understanding of the issue.

One brother, we’ll call brother H, is one of the leaders at Mt. Dale. We were able to present to him over a period of a couple of years, certain reports and analysis of the new code situation. Soon this brother began to tell us that he was of similar belief in these codes after thorough study. This was truly a break through we thought!

Apparently this brother is enough of a leader that he began to work with some brethren at Mt. Dale, to open up to their understanding the many issues that were conveniently hidden from view for agenda reasons. Well God’s Truth does not stay down for long, it has now surfaced at Mt. Dale–praise the Lord!

SOP counsels us again–

“The Lord often works where we least expect Him; He surprises us by revealing His power through instruments of His own choice, while He passes by the men to whom we have looked as those through whom light should come. God desires us to receive the truth upon its own merits–because it is truth.” (TM. p 105 -106)

This new code issue is surely being revealed by “instruments of His own choice” and not necessarily through the leaders of the DSDA “men to whom we have looked as those through whom light should come”. This session is an example case.

Ok fast forward to a couple of days ago at session.

This year’s session unfortunately has experienced a lack of proper planning. The management decided to livestream it through Facebook instead of years past when they did it though Live stream.com, a regular online live streaming media site that enables you to store and file the videos away for future viewing. This we feel was a big mistake. It makes the presentation look much more amateurish . We ARE the highest light bearers of the world brethren we need to keep this in mind!

So the discussion day came and they announced that “Rob Peralta’s” website would be quoted as “opposition” to the new codes evidence. Instead of going into some close examination of the following report they decide to quote just a couple of paragraphs. But they did quote some of the Rod references we used to counter the idea of publishing hearsay and rumors.

https://hearyetherod.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/the-codes-whats-the-facts/

To begin with, unfortunately the two higher-ups with Mt. Dale who do not support the new codes had to leave back home shortly before this discussion began. So we became the defacto response. Briefly  speaking, our post was not helpful as they did not go much into it. But they did make sure to present brother Errol Stanford.

As many of us know ES is similar to brother Norman Archer at Waco, both are really the “leaders” of the organizations, even though there may be a figure-head (VP).

ES presented the pro-code position. Mainly the idea that because some of the old-timer witnesses remember the sermon addresses (ie. sister Bonnie Smith) they must be true codes and worthy of putting into the Bowl. Their idea is that the word “publish” can also mean verbal things remembered. Now this brethren is what is called — mental gymnastics or a big stretch.

But that really is not the main issue. As we posted already the main issue is authorization, who did it and why? If it was not done by the prophet then this issue should really be a mute point. Can anyone add writings to the Golden Bowl?? This is basic fundamental DSDA teaching (Zech. 4) ONLY the prophets can do that!

See this post —

https://hearyetherod.wordpress.com/2018/07/14/authorized-by-who/

As mentioned the Lord is working on this issue. The discussion left a sour taste in some brethren as it truly was a “one sided” discussion. Imagine if you will a presidential debate where one side gets 90% allotted time to present and the other gets 10% –???

This author in the comment section has announced that he will post a “formal and open” post to Mt. Dale via the FB website addressing this issue and asking some serious questions that the leadership of Mt. Dale should address. Other wise this issue will fester and not really heal as it should.

We will update you soon as to ongoing events. In the meantime brethren we really do need your prayers to help us present something that will hopefully provoke inquiring minds to investigate this issue further and come to the preponderance of evidence which will show this issue as compromised and thus should be no part of the Golden Bowl.