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Mountain Dale Letter

18 Aug


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Open Letter to Mt. Dale Leadership

Greetings in our King’s name and may we continue to strive to be among that number to stand with Him in that glorious kingdom so very near!

Intent —

“God does not propose to remove all occasion for unbelief. He gives evidence, which must be carefully investigated with a humble mind and a teachable spirit; and all should decide from the weight of evidence.”– Testimonies for the Church , Volume 3, p. 255

In this report we’d like to highlight what we saw in the session and also we’ve seen and heard over the last few years working in His vineyard concerning the controversial new codes. We hope that this will help our brethren “weigh the evidence” and then make that decision in the closet of prayer.

Session —-

May we suggest more preparation and planning for session next year. This year it was not well prepared and as the people proclaiming the Lord’s Elijah message we should valve this time we get together and make it a special media event like in times past when it was published on Live Stream.

New code discussion —-

Many of us were disappointed in the fairness of the discussion. It was very one sided. Because of this we felt it important to let the brethren know that instead of a few quotes and a couple paragraphs from HEARYETHEROD blog post, we should present more concrete evidence and to weigh the situation properly.

Controversy —

For many decades Davidians have simply taken the new codes as a part of the Golden Bowl. This began to change in late 1990’s as brother Lennox Sam and Michael Graham undertook a thorough study of the new codes, it’s history, the so-called errors, the hiding of many new codes, etc.

While many of us believe that today, unfortunately bro. Sam has departed from the original message to a large degree, nevertheless, his report was in-depth and today stands out as one of the most thorough historical accounts of the new codes.

Personally, I believe there is some good evidence for both sides. When one looks at Vol. 13, no.5-6, there appears great and deep answers to Sabbath observance. It all appears very deep and true, such as our prophet would write.

However, take Vol. 11, no.1 for example. This new code was published by Florence Houteff, as all the new codes were, and it actually declared what the 42 months anti-type prophecy was concerning Rev. 11! Soon this code disappeared from distribution. Why? Because it was flat out error.

This is what makes these new codes controversial –error mixed with truth. Some Florence Houteff codes truth and some error. That is the history of these new codes.

Extremists —-

Because there is good points on both sides, those who take the position that one is lost for taking this side or that side, we feel is– an extremist. The Lord ,we all know took the reins into His own hands after the knockout blow and preserved the Rod movement and kept it from disintegrating, yet nearly all those old timers believed in the new codes. Historical writings from the sessions and meetings confirm this.

Are we going to say all those faithful pioneers, like brother Warden, brother Green, brother Sidney Smith, sister Bonnie Smith, etc.–are lost? Likewise because the new codes have been compromised as a thorough study proves are we going to say that those who don’t believe in them are lost as well? Either way both are extreme positions.

It was mentioned after this session’s code discussion by one of Mt. Dale leaders that “Satan” is trying to take us off the message, implying that those who don’t believe in the new codes ,don’t’ believe in Inspiration and are thus working for Satan—this is extreme and uncalled for brethren.

Questions and comments —-

1) Why are the “missing” new codes not distributed yet were published by Florence Houteff?

10 Symbolic Code No. 8
10 Symbolic Code No. 9
10 Symbolic Code No. 11
10 Symbolic Code No. 12
11 Symbolic Code No. 1
11 Symbolic Code No. 5
11 Symbolic Code No. 9
11 Symbolic Code No. 10
11 Symbolic Code No. 11
12 Symbolic Code No. 10
14 Symbolic Code No. 1
14 Symbolic Code No. 6

NOTE: According to SAM/GRAHAM REPORT they were found. They exist at the Carroll Collections Library at Baylor University in Waco, Texas. They can be viewed in person (not online).

2) Has Sam/Graham’s request to make these missing new codes known to the brethren ever been considered by Mt. Dale?

3) Why do we allow Florence Houteff/her council’s false prophecy private words to be part of the Golden Bowl? “a fact and approaching reality” says Florence Houteff?

“On September 21, 1936 Brother Houteff made the remarks concerning the possibility of trouble coming to the church after the sealing of the saints and before the slaughter of Ezekiel 9, and if so what the results would be and why. Since Revelation 11 has more recently been unfolded before us we should be able to see that it is not just a possibility, but rather both a fact and approaching reality that trouble is coming to the church before the slaughter of Ezekiel 9. None therefore need be ignorant concerning what we must now be doing about it.)” {11 SC no.7 p.3)

4) The SAM/GRAHAM REPORT made the startling discovery.

“Brethren, we would like to draw your attention to some more startling facts. The symbolic codes in the 5 volumes now being distributed are not complete Codes there are many missing pages, which are shown in Exhibit “I”. Was this an oversight or were these pages lost, as some brethren were told? The answer is a big loud No! Why are we distributing portions of these New Codes? Is it because there are some errors found in them? Or did we simply had no access to them, if so, we now do, the complete Symbolic Codes can be found at the Carroll Library at Baylor University, Waco Texas.”(SAM/GRAHAM REPORT)

“11 SC. No. 2 actually contains in excess of twenty-six pages. Why are we only distributing the first fourteen pages? In addition, we are not even distributing page fourteen in its entirety. Why! Why! Why see Exhibit “I” No. 3. We are splitting Symbolic Codes and even splitting pages so as to avoid the errors found therein.”(SAM/GRAHAM REPORT)

NOTE: These questions was asked of the Waco brethren and as far as we know never answered from Waco and now we ask this question anew to Mt. Dale. Very Important questions that should be answered if we are to get to the bottom of this controversy!

Main Differences —

There appears two main differences (generally speaking) with the new code teachings and the original codes published by VTH.

1) Jacobs time of trouble occurs before Ezek. 9 per the new codes
2) Jacobs time of trouble occurs after Ezek. 9 per original codes

1) The new codes shows the “Confederacy” making severe trouble to Davidians (possible death decrees, going before Gov. councils to answer for our faith, etc.) before Ezek. 9.
2) The original codes do not show this

Summary —-

As this issue has come before us, let us take it seriously and look at all the information to properly decide. We are counseled to “weigh the evidence”. This short report is general in nature and certainly some other brethren may have additional information to show opposition to believing the new codes as inspired.

One important point I would like to make is that we are NOT advocating that Mt. Dale is a false organization. We believe that it and Waco are two organizations that God is using to bring the Truth to Mother and spread His Elijah message. We remain committed to supporting Mt. Dale

Let’s ask the Lord to “guide us into all Truth (John 16:13) He will not fail us. Thank you for your consideration to this important matter.

Three reports to help weigh the subject–

1) Sam/Graham Report

2) Stanford Report…/1Zhnz7K_Uqbtjf6RTB-lkI_GHfA…/view

2) HEARYETHEROD Report…/…/14/authorized-by-who/

Applicable Quotes —-

“Hear and Count the Evidences on Both Sides Before Firing For or Against “ (GCS cover page)

Do Not Deeper Fall Into the Pit But Get Out.—Teachers of Present Truth, having before them the example of the tragic results caused by conflicting teachings by the S.D.A. ministry and, in addition to this, having been repeatedly warned to teach only that which has been revealed, and published, stand in great condemnation before God when they set forth conflicting or unauthorized views on any subject. Be absolutely certain that you are teaching according to that which is written, and not according to that which you may think should be or will some day be written. Failure to comply with this requirement will disqualify anyone as a worker in this cause.” (SC, vol. 3, no. 5-6, p.14)

“There is no excuse for anyone in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation.” (CWE, p. 35)

NOTE: the above was submitted to Mt. Dale FB website “Golden Bowl Ministries” , we await their reply.


Authorized by Who?

14 Jul

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Recently on our sister FB group “Golden Bowl Ministries” the subject of the “new codes” came up again. This subject rises up every so often among us as there really is a mixed and divided view on them. Let us look at an important aspect of these codes.

We have dealt with this subject before and we mostly focused on why they are not to be relied upon, but this post we’ll look at it from another angle.

See this link for our other report  —

When we start to understand the new code situation we MUST look at it first and foremost from the point of authorization. After all the divine injunction to publish inspiration is a directive by our Lord, it is not happenstance or man’s private doing.

The Rod in fact declares —

“..this prophetic organ “The Symbolic Code,” proves to be the mouth piece of the Elijah message, leading hundreds of S.D.A.’s in the work of helping this message to restore the defunct and decadent institutes of the Christian religion.”(SC, vol. 2, no.9, p.2)

“This Association shall hold regular sessions at such time and place as the Executive Council shall designate by a notice published in The Symbolic Code, the official organ of the organization..” (Leviticus Tract, p.7)

We all know that brother Houteff was, according to all accounts, a meticulous and orderly man of God.  He ran the camp with order and a system. But even more so was he extremely conscientious of the Inspired works which God had laid upon him  to write and publish. This we all can agree to.

In the Rod brother Houteff was asked about the subject of what to believe and teach.


Question No. 133:

   “The Symbolic Code” says: “Teach only that which is published.” Will you please explain whether this restriction is Intended to include Bible, Spirit of Prophecy, and “The Shepherd’s Rod” literature, all together, or just the  writings of the “Rod”?


   The Bible and the books of the Spirit of Prophecy being the sole source of The Shepherd’s Rod message, therefore when the Rod is taught, the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy are taught. And since none but the Spirit of Truth who transmitted  the mysteries of Inspiration can interpret them, then those who attempt to teach them without  this Inspired interpretational authority inevitably fall into the forbidden practice of private interpretation (2 Pet. 1 :20)–the great evil which has brought Christendom into its present almost-boundless state of schism and consequent confusion, strife, and impotency.

   As we dare not follow in such a path, we must therefore, as teachers of The Shepherd’s Rod (the official publications of the Davidian Seventh-day Association), teach only in the light of the Rod those passages which in one way or another need to be interpreted. Thus only will all Present-truth believers ever become of the same mind, seeing eye to eye and speaking the same things (1 Cor. 1:10; 1 Pet. 3:8; Isa. 52:8).

   And such as do choose to engage in private  interpretation are respectfully asked to desist from teaching in the name of the Rod and at its expense. Let them like honest men, teach in their own names and at their own expense. (Answerer, vol. 5, p.55-56)

Question: “It is claimed by some that Sr. White made the statement that the Loud Cry message would come through the Review & Herald. Is there such a statement?”

   Answer: As to the claim that Sr. White said the “Loud Cry message” would come through the Review & Herald, we cannot answer authoritatively from a personal knowledge, for our acquaintance with her unpublished works is more limited than extensive, but from those unpublished writings (and they are not less than a 100) which we have had the privilege of reading, we would be led to scout the possibility of her ever having written or made such a statement. We quote what she counsels in regard to accepting just such reports:

   “And now to all who have a desire for truth I would say, Do not give credence to unauthenticated reports as to what Sr. White has done or said or written. If you desire to know what the Lord has revealed through her, read her published works. Are there any points of interest concerning which she has not written, do not eagerly catch up and report rumors as to what she has said.” — 5 T 696.

   Moreover, if the SRod is present truth, and Sr. White a true prophet, she could never have made such a statement except it had reference to the messages at that time and not now. (Vol. 1 Symbolic Code No. 8  pg. 9)

“Be absolutely certain that you are teaching according to that which is written, and not according to that which you may think should be or will some day be written. Failure to comply with this requirement will disqualify anyone as a worker in this cause.” (SC, vol. 3, no.5,6  p.14)

Notice in the top reference that only the “official publications of the Davidian Seventh-day Association” constitutes the –Shepherd’s Rod. We can thus see that nothing published without the “official” sanction of the DSDA can be part of the Rod led by the prophet only. This is plain and clear.

In the second reference we see that the Rod gives another important counsel. we are not to go by hearsay. Nothing is to be believed except it be from her “published works.” Same goes for the Rod principal no doubt.

Here we have to point out that it is well known that Ellen White gave instructions that upon her death they were free to publish her works in the files that had not yet been published. The Rod definitely did not have those instructions given by brother Houteff concerning publishing any of the file reports upon his death! This is an important point to remember.

So in order to get to the bottom of this authorization question we must look at Florence Houteff.

All who have studied the historical accounts , know that Florence decided on the very next day after VTH’s death to call a council meeting! This alone should raise all kinds of red flags. Can we even think about a non-Christian spouse doing something like this?? Let alone a supposed member of the group known as the highest light bearers in the world, a very inner circle member of the Davidian Seventh-day Adventists??

No brethren we cannot truly fathom such a thing. This should let us know that some spirit other than God’s was leading! To lose your spouse unexpectedly of almost 20 years and then the very next day call a business meeting, to discuss among other things your future compensation is truly disturbing on all accounts. Yet  this is what the Davidian  Association found itself in upon the prophet’s death.

Instead of the man who was to lead the association, E.T. Wilson, being at the helm, we had a power driven, controlling woman take the helm. Thus from that point on the “official” title and purpose  of the association was called into question. The only existing DSDA group was now led by an truly unofficial leader, who took the leadership by hook and crook.

“God’s people should ever be on the alert for the voice of the Spirit of Christ, as well as be on guard to discern the spirit of Satan.” (Tract 15, p.84)

With this historical back drop, we can then look at her moves that led to the publication of the new codes. Among her first public declarations came in the new codes.

Vol. 10 The Symbolic Code No. 7

Vol. 10 No. 7

MAY, 1955


Printed May, 1955




  The following excerpts from a letter written in 1932 by Brother V.T. Houteff to a Seventh-day Adventist Elder is being published at this time not only because of some early historic facts it contains, but also because of its other statements of interest. (By way of explanation, we point out that the letter was written after The Shepherd’s Rod, Vol. 1 was printed but before Vol. 2 came.) 

We highlighted in red an important part of her new code writings. An admission that what she was about to publish was “unpublished” by the prophet while he was alive. So this fact is established that she, Florence Houteff (along with her handpicked council) now decided to make known and publish all that “she” wanted published. In other words authorization of publishing the new codes laid with Florence Houteff and her council.

Established also is the numerous new codes where she and/or council members added to the new codes with their own words, supposed facts and truths as they saw it!  Now brethren how can we truly accept this mix and match? Part Inspired and part not? No wonder Mother can have a field day when they decide to check out these new codes,  fodder indeed! Truth and error declared as–Truth!

For one of the clearest and most blatant of these additions is the following —

“Brother Houteff made the remarks concerning the possibility of trouble coming to the church after the sealing of the saints and before the slaughter of Ezekiel 9. And if so what the results would be and why. Since Revelation 11 has more recently been unfolded before us, we should be able to see that it is not just a possibility, but rather a fact and an approaching reality that trouble is coming to the church before the slaughter of Ezekiel 9. None therefore need to be ignorant concerning what we must now be doing about it.” (SC, vol. 11, no.7, introduction)

As many have noticed, who says it’s a “fact and approaching reality that trouble is coming to the church before the slaughter of Ezekiel 9….Since Revelation 11 has more recently been unfolded before us”?

What? “a fact and approaching reality”?  Meaning that Revelation 11, specifically the 42 months had “more recently been unfolded before us” ?? Clearly an agenda was set in motion brethren and it came to a head with the knock out blow (April 22, 1959) Florence and her council mixing error with Inspired Truth.

Let us look at another startling example. In 11 SC, vol. 8 , it begins with —

“God has revealed the forty-two-month prophecy to us for no other purpose than that we be made to realize that we individually have no time in cleaning ourselves up with the provisions He has given us, no time to lose in getting our divinely-appointed work done in the church…”

The above was added to the Golden Bowl! Yes, Florence Houteff’s words
“God has revealed the forty-two-month prophecy to us”  is an outright lie brethren yet some accept it as part of the Bowl! The Blue Book has it right there for Mother to read!

Why do we accept Florence Houteff’s words in the Bowl when she was not a prophetess of God? Please explain that to us. Why should we not start adding , for example, Waco or Mt. Dale’s recent Code articles as well? We all know that would be ridiculous, why is it any different with Florence Houteff?

The Lord, remember through brother Houteff said ,”“The Symbolic Code,” proves to be the mouth piece of the Elijah message”. Anything written in this “INSPIRED” mouth piece of the message –MUST BE INSPIRED! Thus the new codes have Florence Houteff and/or her council writing in It!  Can we accept that and not say they are tainted?? Cmon brethren let’s be real about this.

“Since we are in constant contact with the Lord’s headquarters, we are able to give you firsthand information, not hearsay, concerning the things on which you need truthful and concrete intelligence… I am sure you believe the Bible prophets not because of what they personally were, but because of what they wrote through inspiration.  Why not do the same with the “Rod”?  Why do you try to judge it by gossip and hearsay?” (Jezreel Letter, no. 7, p.1-2)

Was that communication line cut upon the death of brother Houteff? It was not because the “original writings” through the authorized publications by VTH still speak to us but certain individuals such as Florence Houteff did indeed attempt to cut it for the sake of their private agenda. History clearly bears this out.

Can we think that anyone can put “oil” –truth into the Golden Bowl at their discretion, especially  without any documentation showing the prophet authorizing such addition after his death? At least our S.D.A brethren have such authorization IN WRITING from our prophetess. We as Davidian SDA have nothing except to trust in Florence Houteff.

It would be one thing if we had manuscripts, notes , or card files of ALL disputed codes for PROOF and to allay the doubts but we do not. All we have is implicit trust of someone who proved herself untrustworthy from the very first day of brother Houteff’s death. Think this through brethren. What leap of illogical faith this takes!

In closing, we cannot accept the private authorization by Florence Houteff/her council of these new codes because the Lord works with Truth and not deception, falsehood and private agendas. Let all those who want the Truth stay clear of these new codes and stand on the original published writings of the prophet–published by the prophet. Then we know we stand firm upon the Rock of Truth.

Unmasking the Confederacy Issue

9 Jun

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Just as in peeling a onion, unmasking layers is necessary to uncover the heart, or in our case, the Truth of what is this “Confederacy” as spoken of in Isaiah 8:9-15.

“Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces.

Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us.

For the LORD spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, 

Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. Sanctify the LORD of hosts Himself; and let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread.

And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.”

There is no doubt that this subject is often spoken of by us present truth believers. There appears basically three positions floated about as to the truth of this issue.

1) The most popular is the belief that is based on the “new codes”, let us read —

“Isa. 8:9 — “Associate yourselves, O ye  people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces.”

   God here is challenging a move toward a federation of nations.

   With World War I we began to hear serious proposals for the associating of nations into a single league.  Today the proposal is  revived, and efforts are being made toward forming a strong and workable union of nations.  Indeed, not only is the idea of international federation growing more and more prevalent, but in the minds of many great men, there is the positive conviction that the successful continuance of their nation’s way of life is utterly dependent upon the closest association and cooperation of all those  nations which share their way of life.

   The warning given in this chapter to nations and peoples is not to associate and gird themselves or take counsel together, as it would only come to naught.  There may be some significance in the repetitions of the warning.  If so, it would indicate that either two or possibly three attempts would be made among nations to associate and gird themselves, and it would only end in complete failure.  If there should yet be another attempt and there be involved a war against Judah, then Judah, having no adequate means of defense among themselves, will have to let God be their means of deliverance.

Isa. 8:10 — “Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word and it shall not stand: for God is with us.”

   God’s people take a strong and independent attitude because they believe that God is with them.  Most human beings are somewhat like Peter.  We have great faith until we meet face to face a trial.  When the trial here  prophesied comes, though, God’s people must know that God is with them, and they must firmly stand on His side.  Through this verse we are made to understand the real reason for the certain failure of the nations in their attempt to obviate the fulfillment of their fears.  God is not with them.  It becomes distinctly apparent, therefore, that it is the pressing duty of every God-fearing country and individual sincerely to seek God’s will and be with Him, if we are to survive and  prosper.

Isa. 8:11, 12 — “For the Lord spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.”

   God’s people are not only commanded not to participate in the confederacy, but they are to oppose it “to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy. 

 “Neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.”  It is upon the root of some fear that the confederacy is formed.  But that which constitutes their fear is not to constitute the fear of God’s people.

Isa. 8:13 — “Sanctify the Lord of hosts Himself; and let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread.”

“God alone is to be revered; God alone is to be feared and dreaded. If there were no possibility for fear at the fulfillment of this chapter, there would be no need for this reassurance and instruction. It is indicative of the fact that God’s People will see themselves absolutely helpless, and they will appear helpless to all others. Then they will receive deliverance from God, and all will behold it.”(SC, vol. 13, no.3-4, p.8)

“The confederacy that we are studying this afternoon commences before the Loud Cry and before the slaughter of Ezekiel 9. It is not the Image of the Beast, for this association precedes the Image of the Beast, and the confederacy is formed when the nations are girding themselves for war. Put another way, the confederacy will commence after the sealing and perhaps just before the slaughter of Ezekiel 9.” (Sc, vol. 13, no.3-4, p.6-9)

Many hold that the confederacy will be about “God’s people” meaning us Davidians involved with a real trouble and snare. And worst of all this all happens before Ezek. 9!

This is just one more example of why many of us, and we are growing, do not believe in the new codes as authorized and inspired of the Lord. The above plants in our minds the idea of “a war against Judah..” meaning some kind persecution against Davidians (Judah) of which will make them cry day and night!

First of all, since when does the holding back the four winds of Rev.7 fail to stop  persecution of the saints?? That is the whole purpose for the winds being held back, to not hinder God’s people from doing their work unmolested (spreading the Rod message). Yes we have dis-fellowships today but God check mates that by opening up alternative media so that the true in heart can learn the message anyway!

“Revelation 7:1-3, therefore, reveals a two-fold conflict: wicked men against God (the blowing of the winds) and God against them (the angels hurting them).  But though the blowing of the winds and the hurting of the angels after the servants of God are sealed, will bring the “time of trouble,” yet “every one that shall be found written  in the book” “shall be delivered.” Dan. 12:1.” (Tract 8, p.23)

But if we are to believe the new code advice  we are told we are to suffer persecution and real trouble ( some new code believers even say we’ll go before the legal councils, death decrees, etc.)– this is NOT found in the original writings of the Rod. Only here in these disputed codes. This along with the false timeline of Jacob’s trouble, seem to be two of the most serious controversies of these new codes.

In regards to the sealing, not only the orig. codes but the new codes shows no such “persecution” to the 144,000 AFTER the sealing, let us read —

“You recall that there were four angels stationed on the four corners of the earth, and they were to hold the winds from blowing on the earth and the sea and the trees until the servants the 144,000, are sealed, for when the winds are loosed they will hurt. After they receive the seal, though, the winds will blow but they will not hurt the sealed ones for they have received perfect and absolute protection from all harm.”(SC, vol. 12, no. 2, p.8)

After the seal — “perfect and absolute protection from all harm” How can some say persecution?

“..the 144,000 are not sealed with a promise of the resurrection, they are sealed for some other purpose. They are sealed for protection from the hurting of the winds. That shows that the 144,000 are not sealed for the resurrection day, but for protection from being harmed by everybody and everything. They are alive at the time they are sealed, and the sealing enables them to live on. And since the message that is to seal the 144,000 is here, we believe that we are now living in the period when God is going to seal first the 144,000 and when they are sealed their destination is God, New Jerusalem, not the grave and the resurrection.”(SC, vol. 12, no. 2, p.11)

AFTER the seal they have — “protection from being harmed by everybody and everything.” Including Government, death decrees, etc? This will not harm them at all because it won’t happen at all, for the very word “persecution” means to harm(either mentally or physically). Let’s be followers of the STRAIGHT ORIGINAL ROD!

Let us remember that the “time of trouble” is coming to us AFTER Ezek. 9 because that is our core Fundamental belief–

4. That the destruction of the tares from among the first fruits of the living (Matt. 13:30, 48, 49; Ezek. 9:6, 7) results in the purification of the church.

5. That immediately thereafter, the angels let loose the four winds (Rev. 7:1-3), whereupon ensues the time of trouble and Michael’s standing up to deliver from it, all whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life (Dan. 12:1). (FB, p.29)

Why is this important? Because it takes our eyes off the ball. We concentrate in warning “ourselves” of upcoming trouble instead of warning “Mother” and the laity of their trouble–real trouble!

2) Another belief and not so well followed or proclaimed, except by one website– “Shepherd’s Rod Speaks/”, is the idea that this Isaiah confederacy is about our S.D.A church and DSDA organizations getting a 501 c3 incorporation with the state. There is only one small problem with this–the Rod does not say anything about a connection of the confederacy in Isaiah 8: 9-15 to church incorporation.

The following references are the only ones from the original Rod that deals with the confederacy of Isaiah. (Once again we highly suggest one get the Rod Scriptural Index book to locate ALL verses before making a report).

1 — TG, vol. 2, no.41, p.18-20

2 — Tract 14, p.44-45

3 — Military Stand Tract, p. 5, 12,15

These constitute our true counsel in this matter, to add to it by saying that the 501 c3 is  the confederacy we are warned against in Isaiah 8:9-15 is to certainly add  a private interpretation to Inspiration.

“As we dare not follow in such a path, we must therefore, as teachers of The Shepherd’s Rod (the official publications of the Davidian Seventh-day Association), teach only in the light of the Rod those passages which in one way or another need to be interpreted. Thus only will all Present-truth believers ever become of the same mind, seeing eye to eye and speaking the same things (1 Cor. 1:10; 1 Pet. 3:8; Isa. 52:8).

   And such as do choose to engage in private  interpretation are respectfully asked to desist from teaching in the name of the Rod and at its expense. Let them like honest men, teach in their own names and at their own expense.” (Answerer, vol. 5, p.55-56) 

While this issue of incorporation is a worthy discussion all in of itself, we cannot and should not promote private interpretations of Isaiah, trying to justify why our current present truth organizations such as Mt. Dale and Waco do not deserve our Tithes. This website pulls out this idea to use as one of its prime examples of why we should “keep the Tithes” in our own houses and use it for spreading the Rod message. A BIG mistake. See our post —

3) The last belief is also not so well followed or proclaimed yet we think it’s solid and “by the book” as they say–straight Rod declarations.

The confederacy is spoken of  in the following three references. It is clear to all who concentrate closely, what the confederacy is about–

“Let me now remind you what Inspiration has to say of the association of nations and peoples according to current events.  For light on the subject we turn to the eighth chapter of Isaiah’s prophecy.  Time will not permit me to re-study with you the whole chapter, and I do not think it is necessary, for we studied it not long ago. 

You remember that the chapter unveils a confederacy which ancient Israel, the ten-tribe kingdom (the church), made with ancient Syria, a sovereign power of the world, to war against Judah, a sister kingdom (church).

Inspiration makes a type of that church and state confederacy, and by it definitely points out the trend which the nominal churches and the sovereign powers of the world are to take now in the antitype.  It makes known, moreover, that they will not prosper in it….

“Now the statement “Take counsel together, and it shall come to naught; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us,” plainly says what I tried to tell you — that the nations, including the churches, have left Immanuel, “God with us,” out of their plans, that what they are trying to do they are doing on their own intiative and resources for the words “God is with us” coming from one who is not with the assemblies of the people, clearly implies that Immanuel is not with them, and that therefore their work shall come to naught.

   From these scriptures it is seen that the current events brought about by the two opposing blocks, the east and the west, are not going to work out according to human planning, that the plans made by the confederation of nations and people are to come to naught except they consult God and take Him into partnership.

   Let us now hear what the Lord would have us do, the stand He would have His people take:

Isa. 8:11, 12 — “For the Lord spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.”

   The fear which the people fear is not to be our fear; neither are their plans to be our plans.  Our duty is to–

Isa. 8:13 — “Sanctify the Lord of hosts Himself; and let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread.”

   To sanctify the Lord is to be all for Him, to have no one else in His stead, to put your entire trust in Him, not making flesh your arm, for He alone is able to see you through.  And though you should be the only one in all the world to take such a stand, He will not fail you.  If such be your case, you will then become Heaven’s greatest hero.” (TG, vol. 2, no.41, p.18-20) 

“2. Violation of the Sixth Command (Ex. 20:13) — Which Prohibits Killing or Helping to Kill a Human Being. — And since, as our Declaration of Principles points out, our church members are among the citizens not merely of one nation but of all nations the world around, then should we, as brethren in the faith, in any way engage ourselves in war with any nation, we would be joining in a conflict in which it would be brother destroying brother in the faith. And in consequence we would be branding ourselves as murderers of the citizens of God’s coming Kingdom, and therefore as enemies of the Kingdom Itself.

   The pages of the Bible are replete with such Heaven-condemned perpetrations. Notable among them is the unholy alliance between the king of Israel and the king of Syria against the kingdom of Judah (the sister kingdom of Israel). The Scriptures concerning this alliance, not only prohibit a church confederation with any government that would involve brother killing brother in the faith, but also assure such a violator of a downfall from which there is no possible rising.

This is quickly seen from the fact that the confederacy did not succeed in breaking Judah; but rather that God employed the predatory power, Assyria, swiftly to break the confederacy, to destroy both kings, and to scatter Israel and Syria throughout the cities of the Medes, even though Judah herself was not wholly devoted to God. (See Isa. 7:2, 7, 8; 8:4, 9-14). (Military Stand, p.4-5) 


“Since our supreme desire and purpose is to do all in our power for the triumph and preservation of both Christianity and Democracy, our duty is clearly and rigidly defined for us — faithfully to remain steadfast to the only Power that can bring about victory and deliverance of both the Church and the Government.

If we are obedient to His Will, and if the Government itself neither interferes with us in the exercise of our duty toward God nor otherwise goes contrary to God’s Word, our country need have fear of nothing. God will as mercifully save her as He saved Nineveh, and as gloriously deliver her as He delivered, without a casualty, the hosts of Israel from Pharaoh’s armies, at the Red Sea.

   In view of all these considerations and historical examples, we believe that it can be understood that our unhesitating confidence in God and our prayers and efforts to serve Him, also the Government’s respect for our faith in God, must necessarily be of infinitely greater help to our country than whatever bit our serving the military in violation of God’s law, and in neglect of His work, would add in manpower to the country’s military might. (See Isaiah 8:9, 10).” (MS, p.12) 

Other references worthy of mentioning —

“The light that is shining from both the Old and New Testaments, shows that a Christian, as a loyal citizen, will in time of war serve to protect his country; but if the war involve Christians on both sides, as the wars do today, he, as a citizen of Christ’s Kingdom, cannot conscientiously engage in shooting his fellow citizens of that Kingdom.  For “if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself that house cannot stand.” Mark 3:24, 25. 

  But though in such a war, Christians must not bear arms to kill one another, they are morally bound to do humanitarian work such as performed by the good Samaritan–minister to the sick, wounded, and dying, regardless of their nationality.” ( Answerer, vol. 5, p.72)

“Ancient Israel as a nation and a government were obliged to protect their own property, people, and families–even by the sword. But they were not to war against their own brethren. When the ten-tribe kingdom, Israel, confederated with Syria to war against the two-tribe kingdom, Judah, God’s curse rested upon both Syria and Israel, and each was consequently broken by the king of Assyria. (See Isaiah 7:1 through 8; 8:4.) — (7 SC, no.7-12 p.12)

Of special note, the term “confederacy” spoken of in Obadiah 1:7 and Psalms 83:4-8 is not mentioned in the Rod.


We as SDA or DSDA should not be involved in military service where we join up with other nations, ie. NATO. This is indeed the time we say Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.”

Granted the DSDA  being the highest light bearers in the world today, are not concerned with any involvement. Not so with our brethren in the S.D.A.

How real of a concern is it among Seventh-day Adventists? Take a look at this article —


Inspiration shows this Isaiah confederacy means joining up with armed forces to engage in any battle around the world where fellow Christians are involved (think Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan for example). And if we are a part of the confederacy (in the forces) we are complicit with all our services are doing. And make no mistake , in Syria for example, thousands of innocent lives (some Christian no doubt) have been taken directly by our USA armed forces in the guise of “helping the Syrian people”! We join this confederacy, innocent blood will be on our hands! God help those  blind to this terrible confederacy now taking place among some of us as professed remnant believers.


Let’s Have Thousands of Home Storehouses! (Part 1 of 3)

17 Mar

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Back in the day there used to be what was known as row houses. Small little homes packed together all alike yet each with it’s own family doing their own thing. Similarly, there is a Davidian who has come out and proclaimed we all can do God’s work from home! No more sending in your Tithes just pocket them and do you own thing!

Unbelievable as it sounds , our title statement was basically publicly put out by none other than a well-known accuser of the brethren –Eric Edstrom. Recently he has put out a YouTube video explaining his reasons for a) God’s displeasure with the  current well-known storehouses, specifically Mountain Dale and Waco. b) why basically all other Davidian organizations are an abomination except of course –his. c) You can now pocket your Tithes and use them according to your own plans d) All literature from other DSDA groups are an abomination because they don’t have the exact original colors and type set. And other accusations.

Once we viewed his latest video, there was no doubt that we knew that it needed to be addressed. For as you’ll see we think he is totally deceived and has misconstrued God’s word and basically used YouTube media (Universal Publishing Association) to justify his making his home a storehouse for many years now.

There is an old line that goes, “Give a man a good story and soon the facts will come trampling after.” Because Edstrom has no doubt read some of our blogs, he knows we have posted how Mt. Dale and Waco, in our opinion have proved to be two of God’s true storehouses. So this attempt to malign these two organizations will be met methodically and carefully as we go over specific points that one can see where Edstrom falls short of the mark, and worse yet, teaches people to do as he does!

Before we begin let’s review this counsel as it will come in handy as we cover Edstrom’s beliefs.

“ there are no useless words in either of the writings (SOP and Rod), those who desire to know the truth must carefully mark every word, otherwise they will never comprehend the truth and, as a consequence, they will be driven by the winds as the waves of the sea until the winds cease blowing (probation closes), and they be left to sink down in their sins as do the waves in the sea.”( SC, vol. 2, no.7-8, p.10) (Our insertion) 

Every word of Inspiration including the  Rod must be considered to know the truth. Unfortunately Edstrom has conveniently forgotten this counsel as we will show.

Before we begin we will mostly focus on his condemnation of Mountain Dale and Waco associations. We have posted how we view these as God’s storehouses. Post can be viewed here —

Let us now examine the charges Edstrom accuses the brethren of. We’ll also discuss his misconceived points and assertions.  We’ll address them as they appear in the time line of the video.

  1. Edstrom begins at about the 3:50 mark to point out that for a full seven years (1930-1937) brother Houteff had no bylaws during those years to govern the association.

Here we see that he uses this example as his first justification that one can have a storehouse without official organization guidelines such as bylaws. True, the very early days of the movement was not so structured HOWEVER the scroll was just beginning to unroll in regards to the Lord’s Rod (Micah 6:9).

In other words just as we cannot know the full truth or plan of God until present truth is shown( the scroll unrolls further), to say a prior example of what the movement did is justification of what we can do today is ludicrous! Especially when one ignores the later light shown.

“Hey let’s pick and choose what we want, yeah that’s it!” Shades of the fulfillment of Isaiah 4:1.

The early movement also told the people to return Tithes to the S.D.A church, so can some go back and point to that as an excuse to pay the S.D.A church today and ignore the later light about this subject? Absolutely not, the message shed further light later and showed the clear counsel of God in this matter.

“..those who refuse further light on any subject are as bad off as the accusing Jews in Christ’s day, and  as the rebellious against the messages during the reformation’s long period of time.” (SC, vol.2, no. 1, p.6)

“Wonderful possibilities are open to those who lay hold of the divine assurances of God’s word.  There are glorious truths to come before the people of God.  Privileges and duties which they do not even suspect to be in the Bible will be laid open before them.  As they follow on in the path of humble obedience, doing His will, they will know more and more of the oracles of God.” — Testimonies, Vol. 8, p. 322.

     2. At the 9:35  and 10:18 mark Edstrom points out that in 1961 “faithful Davidians reorganized” . Please keep these words here in mind, they shall be useful as we proceed.

At this point it is helpful to review the very Tract Edstrom makes mention of through out his presentation — “The Leviticus of Davidian Seventh-day Adventists”.

“Summoning a meeting of believers, the apostles were led by the Holy Spirit to outline a plan for the better organization for all the working forces of the church…The appointment of the seven to take the oversight of special lines of work, proved a great blessing to the church.

These officers gave careful consideration to individual needs as well as to the general financial interests of the church; and by their prudent management and their godly example, they were an important aid to their fellow officers in binding together various interests of the church into a united whole. 

That this step was in order of God, is revealed in the immediate results for good that were seen.” (Acts of the Apostles, p.89,90) (Leviticus, p.19-20)

Thus from the very beginning of our movement, structure and responsibility were given to “officers” of the church. Structure and a system for His people was God’s objective, a unified church body, not individual atoms all over the world answering to no one and doing their own thing as Edstrom tries to put over. This will become abundantly clear as we proceed.

    3. At the 10:40 mark Edstrom says that “establishing the by-laws was only for a fully operational complete GADSDA headquarters that performs all of its constituent parts which include the following:

a) Publishing all of the original SRod literature and study charts.

b) School for children

c) Rest home to care for the elderly

d) Infirmary

e) Agricultural enterprises (peach orchard , dairy herd) 

f) Davidic Levitical Institute  (ministerial training)

g) Bank of Palestina

h) Buildings “

Once again Edstrom makes a striking assumption! If Mt. Dale or Waco for example, doesn’t have ALL of these “requirements” then they can’t be considered a legitimate headquarters. Where is their on-premise personal bank? Where is their peach orchard and dairy farm, Edstrom asks. Let’s get real!  The best Scripture that comes to mind is —

“You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!” (Matt. 23:24)

Let us take careful note, notice what Edstrom says ” by-laws was only for a fully operational complete GADSDA headquarters..” 

No where in the bylaws does it call for a mandatory bank or orchards or farms, etc. In effect Edstrom is saying that the bylaws were meant just for old Mt. Carmel. But what do we know about Edstrom’s 1961 “faithful Davidians”? How did they deal with the bylaws?

They did not have a “complete” headquarters structure as described by Edstrom. Yet what did Edstrom write about these faithful DSDA?

“After the attempted “knockout blow” predicted by Brother Houteff 9 occurred in the spring of 1959 the few faithful Davidian’s that were scattered about reorganized the storehouse in Arlington, California in 1961.10 Here the Association operated until the Session voted to move in an eastward course across the United States, again upon prayerful consideration of Ezekiel’s river. In 1969 it was decided to relocate the Association to Salem, SC which was completed by 1970.11

This was prompted, in part, by the location of one of the original Davidian rest homes operated by the Smith family, which already had a building and good location available. Here it operated as a proper storehouse, having an executive council, publishing free literature, holding sessions, issuing Certificates of Fellowship cards, etc.” (Knockout blow Chronicles, p.10, May-June 2011, “Going Eastward: A Study From Ezekiel 47 Movement of God’s Storehouse Foretold?” — Edstrom’s website)

Ah, so the “faithful Davidians” had a “proper storehouse”. Storehouse/headquarters blended as one organization!

Edstrom further describes what constituents a proper storehouse — executive council, publishing, sessions, Fellowship certificates, etc.

So what gives? Today in his presentations he lamblasts that there is no official storehouse/headquarters, everyone can be one from your home, no need of a council, no need of buildings to meet, no need of by-laws, etc. etc. Yet the very people whom he labeled “faithful” after 1961 had an organizational structure that he lamblasts today! Go figure!

As we begin to point out the folly of this deceiver’s arguments, it’s a good time to read from the Rod, about our movement’s structure–

“In Life Sketches, page 425, we read — “‘I have been deeply impressed by scenes that have recently passed before me in the night season.  There seemed to be a great movement — a work of revival — going forward in many places.  Our people were moving into line, responding to God’s call.  My brethren, the Lord is speaking to us….'”

   Here is a forecast of a great movement, a movement that is to carry on a work of a successful revival in many places.  Here it is also seen that the people will respond to God’s call, and that this envisioned work of revival is to be carried by a Divinely organized movement, not by the Denomination though, and not by a man here and a man thereThe movement is God-created, not devised by men….

Clear it must be to every open-eyed Truth seeker that the revival which Life Sketches predicts and pictures is this laymen’s movement, for aside from this movement that is now on foot, slowly but steadily sweeping away the rubbish throughout the Adventist world, we have never as yet in the existence of the author’s writings in Life Sketches seen another such an organized movement carrying such a revival as this.” (TG, vol. 1 ,no.10, p.17)

Amen! “not by a man here and a man there.” Exactly opposite of what Edstrom proposes. Edstrom’s whole premise is that God want’s individuals to act as self working agents independent of a body because that is what he himself does! Whereas the Rod continues to place a strong influence on structure and organization , designed and placed by God.

     4. At the 16:15 mark Edstrom makes note that the sole purpose of the 100% Rod only Davidians reorganizing in 1961 was to “republish the original Shepherd’s Rod, resurrect the work of Universal Publishing Association.”

Before we delve into this part, we should point out that Edstrom calls brother H.G Warden, one of brother Houteff’s original camp members and in the “inner circle” of the prophet and a leading part of that 100% Rod only group —“one representative of the prophet of God..he was the hero who preserved the integrity of the original Shepherd’s Rod and maintained the leadership during the tumultuous period of the 1960’s, 1970’s  on up to the Yucaipa association.”

Link to Edstrom’s video calling bro. Warden the aforementioned accolades ( starting at the 30:13 mark)  —

Ok fair enough. From all accounts what we have heard and seen about brother Warden confirms this as well — his good standing in the message. Yet let us look closely at what Edstrom’s “man of God” — H.G Warden —  believed concerning organizational structure and the “new codes” that Edstrom continues to call an abomination. I think all of us would agree that bro. Warden had a much keener knowledge and experience of the message than almost all of us.

Too be continued …..

(Note: we’ll post Edstrom’s YouTube video at the conclusion of our report)

Weight of Evidence

27 Jan

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We all know that in a court of law , the jury weighs the evidence. This evidence is then balanced and the weight of it goes to the decision, the outcome. In the same view, we as present truth believers are told to weigh the evidence throughout Inspiration.

Just recently we had a very long discussion with a brother on a couple of our past posts. After us going back and forth for a couple of weeks, the Lord and I “supped” and discussed what had just transpired. The instruction that I received was “weight of evidence”.

There is quite a lot of inspired instructions in regards to our topic. We’ll review some in this post.

“How many men in this age of the world fail to go deep enough. They only skim the surface. They will not think closely enough to see difficulties and grapple with them, and will not examine every important subject which comes before them with thoughtful, prayerful study and with sufficient caution and interest to see the real point at issue. They talk of matters which they have not fully and carefully weighed.” (Testimonies, vol. 4, p.361)

So true! So how can we truly know of a subject unless we deeply study it? And how do we do that? Well, it begins with our study tools.

  1. Prayer and claiming the promise (John 16:13)
  2. Ready to review the Big 3 (Bible, SOP, Rod)
  3. SRod Scriptural Index
  4. All available Rod Material

Since present truth is what we need now (EW, p.63) we can review the SRod Index first to get a good solid basis for our subject. ALL references of our subject must be read slowly and carefully, noting each and every word.

“..when the student of prophecy is led by the Spirit of God, Who dictated the Scriptures, he sinks the shaft deep into the mine of truth, for he knows that the Scriptures in themselves are in perfect harmony.when we take into consideration the meaning of each word instead of making thoughtless and hasty conclusions, the Scriptures prove to be not only most perfect and wonderful and yet simple, but also inspiring, making wise the humble — and lightening the path of him who as did Christ, delights to do the will of God.” (SC, vol. 2, no.2, p.3)

The above is exactly what we try to practice and so should all proclaimers of the truth of the hour — the Elijah message. In any report we do the 4 study tools are a must. We dare not miss one of them.

Yet from the aforementioned discussion we saw a prime example of someone willing to bypass proper study tools and start proclaiming their version of the truth without proper weighing of evidence. Kind of like surface reading or study then jumping ahead with this shallow understanding. As SOP says “They only skim the surface”. ALL references must be analyzed and then the “Big picture” may be more readily seen.

“A conclusion which is based upon a single citation, though the passage be ever so plain, but which conclusion can not be harmonized with every other authoritative statement on the same subject, is not a safe and honest rule of interpretation.” (SC, vol. 3, no.1, p.9) 

Again the Rod warns us to study it all before proceeding with our ideas on a matter —

“Those who are willing to risk all on the ground of one inspired statement and disregard another in order to carry out certain cherished ideas of their own, are doing it on the same basis as those who entertain the idea of the conscious state of the dead, the eternal torment of the wicked, the baptism by sprinkling, the Sunday observance for the Sabbath, the condition of the millennium, etc.” (SC, vol. 2, no. 1, p.5) 

Another example comes from a recent comment on a FB study page. The present truth believer said “Don’t you know that the kingdom will be 7 years?”

Had this person searched ALL the inspired references, he would have never made such a private declaration. No where is there any reference to the idea that the pre-mil kingdom will be 7 years. In fact the “weight of evidence” shows a much quicker time period.

They simply privately interpret Ezek. 39:9 to mean that it shows  7 years in the Kingdom burning weapons. Only problem is the restoring Rod knew all about this reference and what did It say? Nothing, except a simple repeating of the verse. No expounding upon it at all. No ideas even hinted at!

Let us look at an example of how the Rod goes about harmonizing a subject —

“Now, if we are to arrive at the truth, we must interpret the statement in Early Writings and the one in Matthew 20:16, in a way as to harmonize with Isaiah 60:11, 22, Zechariah 2:11; 13:8, 9; The Great Controversy, p. 665, and other passages, all of which show that there is to be a great multitude.

  No candid Bible student would build a theory upon an interpretation that would lead him to set aside all other scriptures on the subject. He will seek to make his final analysis in such a way as to be in perfect harmony with all of them, or else confess that he does not have the light on the subject.

  In the clear light of the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy passages here cited, the weight of evidence incontestably leads to the conclusion that a great multitude is to be saved.” (Answerer, vol. 3, Q-65) 

What do we gleam from this?

  1. The Rod wants to look at all the references.
  2. No reference is to be “set aside”.
  3. The analysis must be in “perfect harmony”.
  4. If this is not possible then admit “we don’t know”.
  5. The weight of evidence  leads to the conclusion.

So there we have it brethren, a closer look at the subject of weighing the evidence. If we want to report, post, respond or share on a given subject, it is better to do it according to the Lord’s way, than to jump ahead with surface ideas.

“Be absolutely certain that you are teaching according to that which is written, and not according to that which you may think should be or will some day be written.
Failure to comply with this requirement will disqualify anyone as a worker in this cause.” (SC, Vol. 3, no.5,6, p.14)

“No one by beginning to study a subject from the middle, backward or forward, can learn its continuity and know what it is all about. If one is to learn the full truth of a subject, he must study it in its entirety.” (TG, vol. 1, no. 5, p.3)

The 144,000 — Where Are They?

6 Jan

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In Shepherd’s Rod, volume 1, p.46 we read —

“The prophet Elijah thought all Israel had apostatized, and that he alone was left, but the Lord said He had 7,000 men that had not bowed a knee to Baal. “Seven” signifies a complete or perfect number, which stands as a symbol, in this instance meaning a complete number of thousands.  The complete number of the very elect is 144,000.  So we, too, like Elijah, think the whole church is drifted into the world (bowed a knee to Baal).  Thus Elijah stands as a type of the 144,000 living, translated saints.”

It is generally an accepted fact among us Davidian S.D.A’s that today we as a group, broadly speaking,  number no more than approximately 20,000 to 25,000.  This figure can present a challenge/problem to some of us, just like Elijah was distraught of the thought!

After all it’s been over seven decades since brother Houteff came to our church and gave the Elijah message. Since the Word says that the first fruits shall number 144,000 (Rev. 7) how, where and why is that number to be made up?

Well, leave it to an usurper among us,to put their own pipe into the Golden Bowl to come up with imaginative ideas.

For example ,  one group claims that there is to be “12,000” first found among the remnant (ie. Davidians) then after this the rest of the 144,000 is to be found in the S.D.A church. And this produces two Ezekiel 9’s. many of you know well whom we are talking about–Lennox Sam’s D.S.D.A group. Enough said.

Then another group, and much larger group of present truth believers, say that the greater number of the 144,000 will come once the “Assyria Confederacy” begins in full bloom and starts to persecute the S.D. A church including Davidians. Even wildly imaging S.D.A’s and D.S.D.A’s going before the courts to answer for our faith. Thus awaking the balance of the ones in the S.D.A to come aboard. No doubt this scenario is based largely upon the Florence Houteff new codes.

This idea falls like crumbled sand when we remember the simple fact and Word. That is the following —

“And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.”(Rev. 7:1-3)

What we see and know as present truth believers is that this promise provides protection to any and all strivers to be among God’s elect. In other words God’s angels are holding the winds right now, NO persecution shall harm or hinder God’s people until the elect are sealed and thus they begin to blow. No government interfering with study groups, no government interfering with communications of His people, etc. In other words His people shall be free to study and learn His message and be completely unhindered.

Let’s examine more closely the top quote. Today we as Elijah messengers often think just as our type did. We as Davidians are the only ones walking in the way of the Lord. Yet what was the result of such thinking? A correction from God!

Next we see that God points out that the full number “7000”, which in our anti-type would be the 144,000 are secured by Him.

Lastly, and I think the most important part, is that Elijah did not know who these other elect of God were. 

These 7000 faithful men and women in Israel had not bowed the knee to Baal nor kissed the baal images. In other words walking in ALL the light they had received from the Lord, yet not out spoken as Elijah was.

Today we as Davidians are well aware of our groups our people. We also know, as mentioned, that we total a small portion of the 144,000. So who are these we don’t know?

Let’s ask a meaningful question. Could they be ones outside our faith? No, for God had reserved fellow Israelites. So that leaves us with the fact that the 7000 must comprise not only the Eliajh’s but his fellow people –today that would be our brethren in the S.D.A church!

Where else could they be found, ponder this. SOP states the following in bolstering this idea —

“Some of us have had time to get the truth and to advance step by step, and every step we have taken has given us strength to take the next. But now the time is almost finished, and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months.” (Early Writings, p.67)

Sure there are those for some reason that have not be shown or revealed the truth of the Elijah message. But let us remember that the marking Angel does what? Marks those who “sigh and cry for all the abominations done in the church” (Testimonies vol. 3, p.267)

Some S.D.A must surely be doing this now yet Elijah (us strivers) doesn’t know that they are! Some of us think just like Elijah, only us Davidians are the  ones right with God now. Type meets anti-type.

This also leaves the potential clear timeline that the marking of the 144,000 is much further advanced than we may think.

Rev. 11:13. “And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted,  and gave glory to the God of heaven.”

“..Long ago through the Spirit of Prophecy (Early Writings, 270) the S.D.A. church was forewarned of this shaking.  And now in the present graphic revelation is seen its fatal end — the destruction of all who do not become affrighted and give glory to God. 

Figuratively numbering seven thousand, these “slain” in the church comprehend that element which does not sigh and cry for the abominations (Ezek. 9:4),  and which as a consequence fails to receive the mark (Ezek. 9:4), or the seal (Rev. 7:3-8), of God’s approbation. 

All who compose this class are cut off, leaving the remnant who “were affrighted” — those  who have sighed and cried for the abominations, and who have consequently received the mark or the seal, and escaped the slaughter.  These are they who “shall sing for the majesty of the Lord” (Isa. 24:14) — give “glory to the God of heaven.” (Tract 5, p. 112-113)

“Those who are too young in the faith are not required to understand more of the teachings in “The Shepherd’s Rod” than time has permitted them, but they are under obligation to continue studying and to “sigh and cry for all the abominations” in the church. There is no excuse for neglecting this duty. The existing evils in the church are very easily recognized and one must speak even though one may not understand every point of the doctrines.” (SC, vol.2, no.5-6, p.8)

Revisiting Jacob’s Time Of Trouble

29 Jul

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Similar to the study of the King of the North, this study is deep and can be complex. For this very reason, we as present truth believers often have differing views of this time of trouble.

A while back we did on our sister site Godsloveandlaw a 3 part post of this subject, but after hearing from a close brother who is at Mt. Dale, we thought we’d do an update post.

Jacob’s Time of Trouble (Part 1 of 3)

Apparently God’s Spirit of Truth is working over there among our brethren because according to this brother, they are re-considering their long-held view of Jacob’s time of trouble coming BEFORE Ezekiel 9 by some strange government confederacy persecuting us DSDA.

Many of us know that this belief comes from the “new codes” and originally promoted by a few older leaders in DSDA who bought into the “inspiration” idea of them and published by Florence Houteff.

When one reads them you can see that the trouble happens before the Ezek. 9 church judgment. But that leads to a timeline that is taught that we are to be ready for persecution among us DSDA, from the civil authorities in conjunction with our “Esaus” in the church.

However, there is just one major problem with this– it CONTRADICTS the original codes timeline of this trouble! Big problem. So this is apparently why Mt. Dale has decided to  convocate to restudy this issue. Keep them in prayer for the Truth to prevail.

Let us stop for a moment to remember our type, Jacob and Esau. In the Rod we know that this “trouble” is concerning Jacob’s returning home.

Jer. 30:7 — “Alas!  for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.”

   The people that have come to this antitypical time of trouble are returning to the homeland, are comforted.  Apparently it is bad enough to frighten all, but God’s encouraging counsel is, “Fear not.” (1 TG, no. 47, p.14)

Now when we remember Jacob, what was this trouble really about? Nothing! It was all in his mind, this was just “perceived” trouble–mental anquish. Esau never declared nor acted out any trouble to him. He had just rounded up hundreds of his fellow men to go greet Jacob.

So how can we today , especially those who follow the new codes, make up all sorts of scenarios, saying that us Jacobs “will be persecuted by the authorities, etc. etc.pre-Ezekiel 9” when in type no such persecution existed?!!

Rather it is much more believable that our mental anguish exist today with our Esaus throwing us out of church, slandering us, maliciously gossiping against us, etc. Let me tell you of an experience of my own Jacob’s trouble.

A few years back, the word got out that I was a “Shepherd’s Rod believer” in our church. Soon the head elder let people know that a special meeting was being called in our church and I heard that it was, among other things, going to be about me. A sort of warning meeting against me by the Elder.

I soon grew somewhat fearful and worried as the date approached. After all I had a excellent reputation in the church and now I was to be chastised for sticking up for the truth! This was truly mental anguish for me.

But what finally happened at the meeting? Nearly the whole crowd stood up for me! The elder ended up like a dog with his tail between his legs. The fear and anguish was needless!

This brethren is our time of Jacob’s trouble our mental anguish just as Jacobs had his. There is NO persecution involved here for us SDA or DSDA.

Now, we know that SOP does point to some trouble for the second fruits, their “Jacob’s trouble” but that is during the Loud Cry, not our time. How do we know this? Because Inspiration (Bible, SOP, Rod) tells us the 144,000 are guarded and protected as the final servants of God declaring the Loud Cry.

To reiterate our DSDA fundamental beliefs and Jacob’s timeline let us look at the following —

4. That the destruction of the tares from among the first fruits of the living (Matt. 13:30, 48, 49; Ezek. 9:6, 7) results in the purification of the church.

   5. That immediately thereafter, the angels let loose the four winds (Rev. 7:1-3), whereupon ensues the time of trouble and Michael’s standing up to deliver from

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it, all whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life (Dan. 12:1).

   6. That the angels’ letting loose the four winds to blow over the four corners of the earth (Rev. 7:1), does not anticipate a World war but rather a world wide decree enforced throughout Babylon by the image-beast, and that then no one may buy or sell save he who worships “the image.” Rev. 13:15-17.

   7. That subsequently, the time of Jacob’s trouble (Jer. 30:7) for the 144,000, the sons of Jacob, logically develops on their way home (Gen. 32:1, 24) to the land of their fathers (Ezek. 36:28; 37:21, 25).

   8. That the foregoing epochal event shall cause the 144,000 to have their names changed as did their father, Jacob (Gen. 32:28), and as a body receive a new name which the mouth of the Lord shall name (Isa. 62:2).

   9. That these events shall ultimate in the setting up of the Kingdom (Dan. 2:44; Isa. 2:1-4; Mic. 4; Ezek. 37), wherein the 144,000, those who follow the Lamb “withersoever He goeth” (Rev. 14:4), shall stand with Him on Mt. Zion (Rev. 14:1), and there “receive the forces of the GentiIes. ” Isa. 60:5, 11.

   10. That with this sequence of events will ensure the Loud Cry of the angel that lightens the earth with his glory (Rev. 18:1),

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as the other Voice cries, “Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Rev. 18:4.

   11. That in response to this call, many nations will say: “Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.” Mic. 4:2.

   12. That the Voice will cease to cry when all the saints shall have been gathered out of all nations. Then shall “the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.” Amos 8:11, 12.

   13. That then will follow the dissolution of the world-wide organization of the image of the beast (Rev. 19:1-3), the close of the investigative judgment of the living (Rev. 15:5-8), the end of probationary time (Rev. 22:11), and the pouring out of the seven last plagues upon the wicked (Rev. 16).

   14. That under the seventh plague, the hosts arrayed for the battle of Armageddon

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will fight with, and will be decimated by, the armies of Heaven (Testimonies, Vol. 6, p. 406), and that Christ shall appear in all His glory, destroy the remaining wicked, resurrect the righteous dead (1 Thess. 4:15-17), and usher in the millennium (Rev. 20:5).

But one of the big arguments against this timeline (and supported by the new codes) is how can the “Esaus” those who are  members of Jacob’s family (the same SDA church) cause trouble to Jacob on his way home when they are dead from Ezek. 9? Very good question!

First, the Rod as shown in our sister site post speaks of the Esau trouble in VTH’s day and our day as well. This is a fact. Both of these time periods have experienced “civil” trouble directed from the Esaus in our church! Yours truly has experienced it when we protested and “sieged” the Las Vegas churches last year.

Second, once the gigantic war over Israel is done, there will be no doubt victorious armies there which may cause fearful concern to the Jacobs in their travel back to the Holy land.

Bottomline, the details are not as clear as we would like but we must stand on faith that our fundamental beliefs, our core as Davidians,  is solid and Truthful concerning the timeline of Jacob’s trouble.

To summarize, we know that our DSDA Jacob’s time of trouble is now, yet there will be more to come as it “develops” after Ezek. 9. The details are not clear as to what this trouble entails, but be assured it will all be “mental anguish” and not a literal persecution.

It will be as the Rod says —
“So when it all worked itself out, Jacob plainly saw that there was no need at all to have ever feared.”(1 TG, no. 47, p.15)

NOTE: For the sermon that deals directly with this Jacob’s time of trouble see 1 TG, no. 47, p. 12-18