Archive | April, 2017

Into the Viper’s Den (Part 5 of 10)

22 Apr

(11:35 mark)

After Rodriguez goes over Houteff’s interpretation of Luke 19:12-14, he says , “So there you go, once again Houteff is putting Jesus aside, and he want’s to take His place. Jesus is going to receive a kingdom and when He comes, He comes as King of kings and Lord of lords.

But Houteff says, in spite of the fact that He did receive a kingdom He’s not going to rule Himself. He’s going to have a man , somebody from the laity that he’s going to rule in His place.”

IR seems to not understand that the Lord’s word promises such a structure in the last days, in speaking of the end times let us read–

Ezek. 34:23, 24 — “And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even My servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.  And I the Lord will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I the Lord have spoken it.”

Do we see a delegation of authority from the Lord? Of course. Who will be this “one shepherd”? It cannot be the Lord because the Lord Himself says “he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd..” Unless the Lord is doing some kind of ventriloquist speaking, which is nonsensical.

“..they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.” Jer. 30:9.

“serve..their king”? Yes that is what the Lord says! Rodriguez is not aware that his words are trying to impugn the Lord’s word. The people serve their “king” as well as the Lord. TWO persons. Does this lower our great King’s authority? Of course not, just as Moses was the people’s shepherd and David  their king,  it didn’t degrade the Lord’s authority.

(13:38 mark)

“He said (Houteff) that wherever he moved the Chariot (Ezekiel 1) moved after him so who’s in control?”

Again, this is another “I said it therefore believe it” moment. There is not back up references showing that Houteff said such things. Another attempt to paint Houteff as a self-deluded man wanting glory to himself.

(13.50 mark)

At this point Rodriguez goes into many points on why Houteff could not be the soon to reign antitypical David. To be fair this subject is vast. And we cannot go fully into it here due to time and space but here is a 4 part post that shows in-depth this antitypical David issue based on Scripture.

https://hearyetherod.wordpress.com/?s=anti-typical+david&submit=Search

(18:38 mark)

IR quotes Tract 8, p.97 attempting to show confusion by Houteff. IR keeps trying to make the point that only Christ can rule in the kingdom and no one else. However apparently unbeknownst to IR he is denying the straight word of the Lord as follows–

Hos. 3:4, 5 — “For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim: afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and His goodness in the latter days.”

Further the Rod explains the confusion that IR is bringing–

In the days of Moses and in the days of David, when the Lord had the work in His Own hands, He spoke to the people through Moses and through David, and thus He ruled. In like manner will He, at this time, rule the work when He takes the reins in His Own hands.

…It is generally understood that when Christ visibly appears, the nations will die by the brightness of His coming, and thus the wicked will have no chance for either the Lord to speak to them or they to speak to Him. Furthermore, according to the parable, He sits on the throne of His glory instead of sitting on the clouds as in 1 Thess. 4:17.

Therefore, the throne of His glory is His kingdom where He, invisible to the nations, sits on the throne and gathers all nations before Him as recorded by the prophet Isaiah also, saying: “And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.” (Isa. 2:2.) (SC, vol. 4, no.10-12, p.6)

So obviously this “sitting on His throne” cannot be in visible bodily form as they would burn up upon viewing Him. It is invisible yet He is there sitting upon His throne, ruling through His appointed king.Keep in mind this is all pre-millennial and takes place before the 1000 year reign in heaven.

In speaking of the end times, the future, the Word says–

“Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.” (Hosea 1:11)

So according to Rodriguez it appears that the Lord was mistaken , that there will only be Christ as their “head” leader. So much for private interpretation. This is what it comes down to brethren–believe Rodriguez or the Word of the Lord.

One thing we should point out is that Rodriguez does make a fair point about the Rod and SOP appearing at times contradictory on subjects such as the kingdom. But this issue is settled when we read the Rod’s answer to this “apparent” contradiction . See question no.42 from the following link

http://shepherds-rod.org/answerers/answerer2.html#WILL THE KINGDOM BE SET UP BEFORE THE

(22:12 mark)

Rodriguez now attempts to show that the Lord cannot be in two places at one time. This point was raised in the 30’s when the following was asked–

Question: “Please explain E.W. 36: “I saw that Jesus would not leave the most holy place until every case was decided either for salvation or destruction,” etc.

   Answer: The question which here arises is how is it possible to reconcile “The Shepherd’s Rod” with the “Spirit of Prophecy,” when the one seems to say that Jesus will leave the most holy place at Eze. 9, while the other says He will not leave until every case is decided?

   Without attempting to explain the event described in E.W. 36, we shall inquire only into the matter of whether it is possible in view of the E.W. statement for Jesus to “leave” the most holy place to execute the work of Eze. 9 before the general close of human probation.

   To begin with there is nothing in the word “leave” that connotes finality and permanence of condition or action. To leave once does not preclude the possibility of having left on previous occasions and then returned. Hence, on the logic of language alone, the mere fact that Sr. White “saw that Jesus would not leave the most holy until

Vol. 1 Symbolic Code No. 7  pg. 8

every case was decided,” does not argue that He could therefore never have left the most holy place before, and that He cannot leave it to execute Eze. 9 on the church.

   However, we need not base our position entirely on logic. The Scriptures abundantly evidence the fact that Jesus is to dwell in the midst of His People at a time before every case is decided. We quote Zech. 2:10, 11 — “Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord. And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be My people.”

   Verse 11 proves that in “that day” when He comes and dwells in the midst of Zion, “many nations shall be joined to the Lord,” and every S.D.A. ought to know that there will be no nations joined to the Lord after probation is closed…”

This again, is why we love the Lord’s Rod so much, it make clear the difficult.

(25:32 mark)

“I pray every time I have to do these presentations I pray that there is some Davidian that somehow is listening that the Lord make a miracle and allow these people to listen because I am interested their salvation. Every soul that is lost is a victory to the devil and I don’t want that, I don’t want anyone to be lost and I want whatever as many Davidians as I can I will love to reach out to them and to have them have an open mind so that they can understand what is the truth and to understand how deviated , how far away was Victor Houteff from Biblical truth. So that is one of my intents when ever I present this material. It’s not that I unlike the Davidians, it’s not that I hate the Davidians, just the opposite, because I love them…”

Ok we got to stop it there, it’s getting too unreal. Let us explain.Let’s go over what he just said. First, how can we Davidians believe that Rodriguez is sincere? How? Do lies and twisted testimonies instill confidence that he has a message of truth for us? Let’s get real please! So far through the first four presentations we have shown way too many false statements and flat-out lies. Whether from ignorance or deception, Rodriguez is in no position to extend the olive branch to any Davidian. Repentance is the only path we see.

The best quote we have for his statement is the following–

“A faith based on a lie will not have the power to sanctify life or personality. Errors are not truth, and errors can not turn into truth by repeating or believing it. No matter how faithful you are, you will never be able to save your soul from the consequences of believing in error.” Selected Messages, vol. 2, p.56)

(35:45 mark)

IR quotes Acts of the Apostles, page 509, and attempts to make the point that Ellen White downplayed any pre-millennial kingdom. However IR is mistaken in this understandings of the pre-mil kingdom. EGW clearly was making reference to the establishment of a worldly kingdom. She says, “They desire to make our Lord the ruler of the kingdoms of this world..”

It is clear upon study of the Rod, based on Scripture that the purpose of this “kingdom” is not a world-wide rule, rather as a witness for the final Loud Cry proclamation to go forth from Israel His promised covenant to His people. Further, there shall be a larger world kingdom set up by the mark of the Beast system, and the Rev. 17 Beast shall largely rule then.

Therefore the kingdom will be local (Israel) and the subjects shall be all over the world, yet not all will be located in Israel, but may have to flee to the hills and mountains to find safety and protection from the Lord. Once again see this report for a good basis of this study–

http://www.shepherds-rod-message.org/outlines/kingdom.pdf

(38:08 mark)

IR shift gears and try another SOP quote to expose Houteff, this time it’s GC, p.322. Once again he is not the first to try this route. Houteff answered the following question in the 30’s —

WILL THE KINGDOM BE SET UP BEFORE THE MILLENNIUM?

  Question No. 42:—“The Great Controversy,” pp. 322, 323, teaches that “not until the personal advent of Christ can His people receive the kingdom….But when Jesus comes, He confers immortality upon His people; and then He calls them to inherit the kingdom of which they have hitherto been only heirs.” Will you please help harmonize the Bible and “The Shepherd’s Rod” with these and other passages in Sister White’s writings in regard to the setting up of the Kingdom?

The answer is quite long but can be viewed in the following link, scroll to question 42.

http://shepherds-rod.org/answerers/answerer2.html

(43:45 mark)

After quoting Isaiah 11 IR says “..God’s promises are conditional, you do not fulfill what the Lord asks you to do and He will not fulfill His promises.”

Here IR attempts to say that the Lord’s words by Isaiah are conditional. However upon close reading chapter 11 there is no ifs, buts or maybes. There is 30 “shall”s and several “will”s. Furthermore in verse 11 and 12, it is a promise of what the Lord shall do, not what the Israelites shall do, let us read–

“And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

And He shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”

Is there any logical argument that the Lord makes His plans, as stated above  –conditional? None whatsoever.When the Lord makes a promise without any conditions of what He will do, His word MUST not return void.

(51:43 mark)

After quoting Early Writings, p.281, where the lost are crying out “You told us that all the world was to be converted..” IR says, “Remember what Houteff wrote? The whole earth is going to be converted.”

So IR attempts to show this quote as directed at Houteff. This is another of Rodriguez’s lies as Houteff never said such a thing and notice IR does not provide any references. “Remember what I never showed you?” he should have said–.

Stay tuned for part 6

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Into the Viper’s Den (Part 4 of 10)

8 Apr

(2:50 mark)

“Houteff promoted a kingdom of glory, but very little he said about the kingdom of grace.”

Once again on cue, IR starts out video 4 with another lie. Houteff did a full report analysing the subject in his report called– “RIGHTEOUSNESS BY GRACE, RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH, AND THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST”

Click here for full report –

http://www.shepherds-rod-message.org/tracts/2tg39.html

There are many other areas where this subject is discussed in the Rod. Rodriguez either has not fully read the Rod or again is trying to put something over a gullible public.

(5:13 mark)

“..He said that there were going to be 200,000,000 individuals that were going to come after the 144,000 (into the kingdom)…he got that number from Rev.9:16, he misapplied one of the prophecies that appear in the Scripture there.”

Ok, let’s say he did. Just how did Houteff misapply that? Notice IR does not explain how or why the Scripture were “misapplied”. Unlike Rodriguez, brother Houteff goes into detail the explanation of the 200 million. Rodriguez offers just a condemnation with no other view as to why.

For a detailed explanation read Tract 5, p.89-95 below–

http://shepherds-rod.org/Tracts/trac005.html

(9:20 mark)

In speaking of the Mt. Carmel financial dealings IR says-

“Whatever business they had (those on the camp) they had to do it with Houteff’s money. So guess who had the real american dollars to deal outside of the compound? You guessed correctly Houteff was the only one that was managing the money.”

Here IR once again attempts to paint a mental picture of Victor Houteff with bad intentions. He tries to say that Houteff kept all the people’s “real” money and used it for some nefarious reasons such as a private account to build up his own wealth, maybe a foreign account for future beautiful island living someday, etc. etc.!

The fact of the matter is that  Houteff was responsible for all the numerous business outlays that existed such as property upkeep, ministry outlays, salaries, etc. And if the one in charge of the organization cannot be responsible for this who can?

To clear this matter the Rod clearly wrote–

“..Bro. H. has no bank account, we think Elder G. is right in that he says Bro. Houteff “will soon be a wealthy man,” for Bro. H is aiming for a great multitude of souls which no man can number, and of his message in prophecy we read:

   “Lift up thine eyes round about, and see all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the wealth of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the Lord. All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on Mine altar, and I will glorify the house of My glory.” (Isa. 60:4-7.)

   Moreover, Bro. Houteff’s work has proved that he will not sit in a corner by himself, but will evenly divide with as many as may come to the knowledge of the truth and share Carmel’s burden for the salvation of souls, for thus is he instructed by the Word of the Lord, saying:

“Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.” (Mic. 7:14.) For this purpose has he bought the land and settled in the woods, on the top (midst) of Mt. Carmel, by the side of the brook.” (Sym. code. vol. 1, no.14, p.5-6)

Ah, what did the Lord say? “..because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the wealth of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.” 

Houteff and the Davidians take God’s word and what It says, unlike Rodriguez. Any Bible student knows that waters mean peoples and that “sea” is another word for the great multitude in this case.They, the Gentiles, not Houteff power-hungry hoarding of money, as IR paints, is who brings great riches to the believers.

(11:45 mark)

“He (Houteff) said–‘do not leave the church, do not build any churches, remain in the church because as soon as Ezek. 9 takes place and all the Seventh-day Adventists are eliminated, we’re going to keep everything that they own.”

Again, this is one of those “I said it, therefore believe it” moments. No reference given at all. A blatant lie without Rod foundation. Just another pleasing statement for the “accuser of the brethren”.

(13:01 mark)

“Sister White is going to be resurrected, I don’t know if he was planning to resurrect her but he said that he was going to restore everything but according to what he said, sister White is going to be resurrected and she’ll be in the kingdom.”

Houteff made this statement because Ellen White, herself said this-

“Your work, my work, will not cease with this life. For a little while we may rest in the grave, but, when the call comes, we shall, in the kingdom of God, take up our work once more.”(Testimonies for the Church, vol. 7, p.17)

Clearly EGW makes the prediction that she will indeed be resurrected to do what she has done before–her work! What was that work on earth? Was it playing harps and enjoying the beauty of heaven. No, it was winning souls for Christ! So in order to understand what she is saying we must know that her work can only be resumed in probationary time.

Not only her but many SDA that have fallen asleep will be raised, as she said “we” and they too have work to do in the pre-millennial kingdom. This is what present truth believers know as the “Special Resurrection.” Daniel 12:2-3 is descriptive of this.

(13:50 mark)

For the next several minutes Rodriguez goes into how Houteff teaches that there shall be a pre-millennial kingdom from Palestine (Israel). There is so much to discuss here that we don’t have the proper time or space but we shall show one of many solid “Thus sayeth the Lord” Scriptures which Davidians place their hope–

“Micah 3:12; 4:1, 2 — “Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest…. But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem.”

Here we are told that in the latter days, in our time, the ancient Kingdom that was destroyed will be reestablished and exalted above all other Kingdoms. Then people shall “flow into it” because “the law shall go forth of Zion, and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem.” The gospel work, therefore, is to be finished while its headquarters stand in the Holy Land.

Thus the Kingdom is set up in probationary time, in time of salvation and judicial purification, for after it is set up other people from many nations flow into it.”(TG, vol. 2, no. 44, p.49)

For another report of this pre-millennial kingdom see this report–

http://www.shepherds-rod-message.org/tracts/1tg25.html

(19:44 mark)

After speaking more about how “Houteff” shows there will be a premillennial kingdom set up for the gospel proclamation, IR says–

“You know there was a fatal precedent, if you remember one of the reasons why the jewish church, the jewish nation, the jewish people did not receive Jesus as their messiah is because they were hoping for what kind of kingdom? A kingdom of peace and safety.

(the jews thought) He’s going to come this messiah and He’s powerful and He’s glorious and He’s going to overthrow the Roman empire, then we the jews are going to control the whole world. That’s exactly what Victor Houteff is having in mind.”

Once again, and ad nauseam, IR tries to paint Houteff as some kind of desirous dictator who wants to rule the whole world for his own selfish gain. He ignores the vast amount of Scripture showing that the Lord has made a promise and it shall not return void. Even SOP, which he professes to believe said–

“That which God purposed to do for the world through Israel, the chosen nation, He will finally accomplish through His church on earth today. He has “let out His vineyard unto other husbandmen,” even to His covenant-keeping people, who faithfully “render Him the fruits in their seasons.” Never has the Lord been without true representatives on this earth who have made His interests their own. These witnesses for God are numbered among the spiritual Israel, and to them will be fulfilled all the covenant promises made by Jehovah to His ancient people.” (Prophets and Kings, p.713-714)

It is very important to note that one of the main covenant promises God made to the ancient jews was that of the return of His people to the land Israel( to all 12 tribes). This as stated by SOP must be fulfilled lest SOP is lying.

See Jer. 30:3, 24, Jer. 23:5-8, Psalms 105:8-11, Hosea 3:4-5, Isaiah 11:1-12, Ezek.36:17-37, Zech 8:1-8 for just a few solid promises from the Lord. When you read those references note that not one has any reference to a conditional promise either in the verses themselves or in context.

(22:55 mark)

IR quotes SOP–

“The kingdom of God’s grace is now being established, as day by day hearts that have been full of sin and rebellion yield to the sovereignty of His love. But the full establishment of the kingdom of His glory will not take place until the second coming of Christ to this world.” (Amazing Grace, p 347)

“This is sister White speaking…”

IR is not the only one who has come at the Rod with this point. In fact many before him confronted Houteff with this seeming contradiction, or is it? The following was so important Houteff listed it in the publication called the “Answerer”.

WILL THE KINGDOM BE SET UP BEFORE THE MILLENNIUM?

Question No. 42:

“The Great Controversy,” pp. 322, 323, teaches that “not until the personal advent of Christ can His people receive the kingdom….But when Jesus comes, He confers immortality upon His people; and then He calls them to inherit the kingdom of which they have hitherto been only heirs.” Will you please help harmonize the Bible and “The Shepherd’s Rod” with these and other passages in Sister White’s writings in regard to the setting up of the Kingdom?

For the detailed answer click link below and scroll to question 42 —

http://shepherds-rod.org/answerers/answerer2.html#WILL THE KINGDOM BE SET UP BEFORE THE MILLENNIUM?

One other note, SOP says the “full establishment of His kingdom of His glory will not take place until the second coming of Christ to this world.”

This is in perfect harmony with the Rod and Scripture as both never teach that the “full” establishment of the kingdom, will take place prior to the millennial reign in heaven. The teaching tells us that a final gospel proclamation shall go forth from Jerusalem for the purpose of a final witness to the world of God’s healings and power THEN the end will come.

“And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD’S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.” (Isaiah 2:2-3)

(27:08 mark)

“If Houteff would be right  and there is a kingdom of glory as he suggests built or established before the close of probation and at Jesus’ second coming fire is going to descend heaven and He is going to burn everything on planet earth and there is going to be a great earthquake  that is going to destroy everything that is on this planet.

So what do you think is going to happen to that kingdom of glory established in Palestine? It would have to be destroyed, so is Houteff in harmony with what the Bible says? Of course not.”

Here IR attempts to show that because Daniel 7:14 says that His kingdom shall not be destroyed and shall be everlasting, Houteff is wrong about this establishment of a pre-millennial kingdom.

Here is IR’s fatal mistake, and again his misunderstanding of this pre-millennial kingdom. The Scripture , SOP and the Rod show that there is to be a clear spiritual warfare in the last days. SOP calls it the “Great Controversy”.

There is to be two opposing forces that shall come upon the world. Christ’s people and Satan’s people. And this pre-mil kingdom shall not be world-wide, rather Satan shall cause the “whore” of Rev. 17 to control the majority of the world. Hence this kingdom is not a setup of rulers and powers of the world, rather in true worship (Sabbath and God’s Commandments) throughout the world. Those who accept the Loud Cry shall be part of this end time kingdom while the majority will be snared by the false prophet and the beast empire.

Isaiah shows in beautiful words the last day scenario in concise and clear order of events and details–

“For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.”(Isaiah 66:15-16)

Let’s stop here for a moment to analyze what is said by the Lord.

First, the Lord will come with “fury” and then He pleads first then He slays “many” (The LORD slays not Houteff or anyone else). Some may at this point say, well that is just the second coming. Hold on let’s continue.

“They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.” (Isaiah 66:17-18)

Obviously those that are slain are religious folks. Trying to “sanctify” themselves and doings abominations of which the Lord knows all about. In Revelation chapters 2 and 3 we read the words “I know your works”. However this slaying of the Lord must occur in the end times as we will discover in the reading further.

So what church is the only church that will be here in the end times that Jesus can be referring to “I know your works” ? Yes, our Seventh-day Adventist church!

“And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.” (Isaiah 66:19-20)

Here in unmistakable language we see something alarming. This prophecy has never been fulfilled because the Lord has never slayed many and have those who escape go to “all nations” to “declare My glory among the Gentiles.” Never happened to this day!

Furthermore they bring them back to where? Jerusalem! A people purified by the Loud Cry message and thus brought in a “clean vessel into the house of the LORD.”  Wow! Amen!

May God soon awake BOHR and RODRIGUEZ for not teaching these truths from God’s word!

(33:22 mark)

“If you guys (Davidians) are going to tell me that I can’t attend this church (SDA church) then don’t tell me that this is a ministry to help the church carry on with the Gospel to all the world, which is what they said at all times.”

Once again here is another “I said it,therefore believe it” moment. IR claims that Davidians tell their members that they cannot attend the SDA church. A blatant lie as shown already in a prior post (see 12:20 mark of part 1 blog). The Rod message tells clearly to stay in the church, DO NOT ABANDON HER!

(35:16 mark)

“As soon as the Sabbath school ends, that was it, they would not stay, they would go away. They would not contribute financially with the church.”

There is an old saying “say a lie often enough and soon some people will believe it.” The mainstream media often uses this same approach, ie. “Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction.”

Additionally just as Rodriguez’s master has done before him ,mix truth with error, the part about the Davidians do not contribute financially is true. But this has been addressed already (see 9:00 mark of part 1 blog).

(37:04 mark)

“According to Houteff all the members of the kingdom would be gathered in the Palestine where the plagues would not fall. Have you seen that anywhere in the Bible? I haven’t I mean somebody help me out. I have read the Bible so many times from one cover to the other and I never came across something like that. The Bible or the Spirit of Prophecy, neither one of them partake is such ideas.”

Here we see that a) Rodriguez has not studied the Bible well b) neither has he studied the Rod well.

Let us look at one of the specific Bible verses that describe this protection–

“And I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, a man with a measuring line in his hand! Then I said, “Where are you going?” And he said to me, “To measure Jerusalem, to see what is its width and what is its length.”

And behold, the angel who talked with me came forward, and another angel came forward to meet him and said to him, “Run, say to that young man, ‘Jerusalem shall be inhabited as villages without walls, because of the multitude of people and livestock in it.

And I will be to her a wall of fire all around, declares the Lord, and I will be the glory in her midst.’”

Up! Up! Flee from the land of the north, declares the Lord. For I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heavens, declares the Lord.Up! Escape to Zion, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon.” (Zech 2:1-6)

Now we ask– Has this ever happened before throughout history? No way! Jerusalem SHALL BE inhabited and protected by a wall of fire all around. Future tense. Before some may say this is speaking of the new Jerusalem, this cannot be so. For then there shall be no “Babylon” which those who dwell with the daughter of Babylon is to escape from and come to Zion. Will the Lord need to protect His people in the new earth?

(37:37 mark)

“Great Controversy page 626, Davidians don’t like this statement from sister White. If they can avoid having to answer any concerns Seventh-day Adventists that was quoted to them they would.”

IR then quotes page 626 where SOP says that God’s people will flee to the mountains. This is his attempt to say Houteff is once again false in saying that the kingdom Loud Cry headquarters in Israel is not where God’s people go as Houteff teaches.

He is in a long line of people who have inquired of this seeming contradiction before him. Let us read the specific question asked back in the original publication called the Answerer.

WHO FLEE TO MOUNTAINS?

Question No. 37:

If God’s people are in the Kingdom during the Loud Cry, how can they be put in prison or driven to the mountains during that time, as the Spirit of Prophecy asserts they will (“The Great Controversy,” p. 626)?

Answer:

When it is understood that the 144,000 are but first fruits, the forerunners or advanced guard of a great multitude of second fruits, the difficulty in question is immediately resolved. The first fruits stand with the Lamb, safe on Mt. Zion (in the Kingdom). Thus those who shall find refuge in the mountains, and those who shall be put in prison, can only be from among the second fruits—those who shall accept the message during the Loud Cry, but who shall not yet at that time have reached the Kingdom. (See our Tract No. 12, The World Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow, 1941

The Rod does not teach that “all” shall arrive in the land of Israel. It could be that many will not make it there for one reason or another. Sister White, as many present truth believers know did not have the light of the pre-millennial kingdom and thus spoke of the light she had, which makes perfect sense when we understand that she is describing the “second fruits” as the Rod shows.

As we should all know light is given in a progression of time. The Apostles had the light during their time, that the kingdom of Glory would be established by the ruling King from God when He came. Thus they were perplexed and asked in a last attempt to get the light of the kingdom spoken of in Scriptures —

“When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1:6)

Rodriguez no doubt would have been like the Jews and condemned these Apostles for believing in Jesus due to the Jesus teaching a false idea of the Kingdom then. Today nothing has changed, IR and those like him teach a false idea of the Kingdom as well.

Instead of understanding that the Loud Cry will have a headquarters based in Israel, IR and his like think that no such headquarters will be needed and today’s SDA churches , filled with mini-skirts, allowing abortion upon demand in their hospitals, etc. will be the headquarters of the Loud Cry– a true Scriptural discordant and abomination teaching!

“And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.”(Isaiah 2:3)

(47:27 mark)

“There is also going to be banks in the kingdom , see he had a bank in Waco Texas, and he was benefiting from it. So he thought  ‘you know I can, you know, with God’s help if God is going to help me, I can have a bank in there. I mean I am going to be loaded with money.’

True to form Rodriguez continues on cue. He instills further terrible character images of Houteff, greedy and out for himself. Wouldn’t it be nice if we all could get to know Rodriguez because he can read your mind!

All truth seekers and present truth believers can only shake their head at what a deception and true deceiver this man is!

(53:10 mark)

“If everybody would be gathered in the kingdom before the close of probation, okay, they are all gathered in the kingdom, as the Sunday law is signed and enforced, does the government have to go looking for Adventists? All they got to do is drop a bomb in there, and that was it kill them all.

That’s it, they are all gathered in the kingdom and they want to get rid of all the Sabbath keepers. So if they are all together in one place, easy to get rid of them. That’s very easy to see.”

The wayward imagination of Rodriguez is running wild now. He supposes that God would allow mankind to “drop a bomb in there” once God brings them back to the land He promised to their forefathers. Utter pathetic nonsense. IR mocks this idea of an Israel pre-millennial kingdom once again.

To be continued with part 5 on IR’s 5th video.