Into the Viper’s Den (Part 1 of 10)

26 Feb

As many Rod believers know there stands a man, so zealous, so anti-Rod, so determined, to demolish the Lord’s Rod. His name is Ismael Rodriguez.

Why do we say the Lord’s Rod?

“The LORD’S voice cries to the city– Wisdom shall see Your name: Hear ye the Rod! And Who has appointed it.” (Micah 6:9)

For all of Ismael’s proclamations of anti-Rod teaching, he has not or can he, address this plain simple clear Word of God. To Ismael it might as well say–

“Do NOT hear ye the Rod. Because NO ONE has appointed it.”

Recently he was invited by Stephen Bohr of “SecretsUnsealed.Org” to do a YouTube seminar on the errors of the Davidians. Ismael has been practicing this work for a long time. He has his lines down fairly well by now.

But to us and no doubt the Truth Maker of our Universe, Bohr shall have the same responsibility of the lies and half-truths concerning the Lord’s Rod as the infamous Ismael.

What we’d like to do is go over some points and statements Rodriguez put forth on the YouTube series. This study will dissect his positions and see if they hold up upon close scrutiny.

Before we start, as the title mentioned, we are doing this post to let any and all know that if one falls for Rodriguez’ lines, they shall surely be brought into the Viper’s den, of which only death can result. The word of God is clear if we fail to “love the Truth” we have no hope.

“He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them.” (2 Thes. 2:10)

Ok, let’s get started. Please note that there are many things that Rodriguez says that are false and misleading, but we will concentrate on some selected points we deem as important. At the bottom of the post will have the link to the pertinent video(s).

Video no. 1 (At the 3:27 mark)

IR says “I would love to reach out to Davidians.. because many of them don’t know what they believe.”

No, most do in fact know what they believe and further they know when a person like IR is lying, stretching, and twisting the truth. Here IR makes a plea that really is non-logical. Further , once a true Davidian watches these presentations, they will only have pity on IR.

(6:00 mark)

IR tries to make a point that because a certain individual he met who had never been baptised within the SDA church, yet proclaimed the Davidian message, means that Davidians are like this person, not members of the SDA church. False.

Nearly every one of the Davidians, or at least the vast majority, are indeed baptised members of the SDA church. Here IR isolates a case and tries to paint a broad stroke over Davidians. A failed attempt to fool those who will investigate.

(9:00 mark)

IR makes the complaint that once the Davidians get others to believe as they do, they stop paying Tithes to the SDA church. Yes, this is true. However, he fails to point out that the DSDA, upon their studies, find out that the SDA church is no longer the voice of God.

“As for the voice of the General Conference, there is no voice from God through that body that is reliable.”(Manuscript Releases, vol. 17, p.178)

“You have no right to manage, unless you manage in God’s order. Are you under the control of God? Do you see your responsibility to Him?…  That these men should stand in a sacred place to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be,- that is past. What we want now is reorganization.” (General Conference Bulletin, 34th Session, vol. 4, extra no. 1, April 3, 1901, p.25)

Now, if God is no longer speaking through our SDA leadership, who is? So the Davidians are the ones calling for a reorganization and revival, such as dress reform, diet reform, worship reform, pure Sabbath observance, present truth sermons from the pulpit, etc. And what happens when they start to proclaim this within our church? They are accused of being a “Shepherd’s Rod” or a “Davidian”! Christ’s early apostles and followers being slandered and disfellowshipped by the church authorities repeated all over again!

Therefore, the “present truth” message is not now with the SDA church but rather with those who are “sighing and crying for all the abominations in the midst” –the church (These are attempting to get the seal per Ezek. 9, and Testimonies, vol. 5 , p.212). This message needs our full support as the message proclaims that the SDA church is soon to be first to be judged among the living ( 1 Peter 4:17, and Testimonies, vol. 5, p.211).

To support a voice that is not God’s is to support a structure that has lost its way. The Davidians learn this upon studies of “present truth.” The Davidians want nothing more than each and every SDA member to get the seal of God in their forehead, to stand in the day of the Lord (Mal.3:2). The “Elijah” message is our present truth today and they know it and want to proclaim it.

There are many precious truths contained in the Word of God, but it is “present truth” that the flock needs now.” (Early Writings, p.63)

And what is present truth? It certainly is not the vast and prevalent message coming from our SDA churches, a “peace and safety” message. “Just keep showing up for church everybody, you’re all safe, God loves and will save you no matter what you do.There is no need for another message (perfectly fulfilling prophesy– Early Writings, p.270). “The Lord wants you to stay away from those who say a “Rod” message is here from the Lord.” This is basically what they are saying.

“Our message is not one of peace and safety.” (SDA Commentary, vol. 4, p.1184)

(9:40 mark)

Here Rodriguez tells his first blatant lie.He says, “They (Davidians) only do it (attend church) during the morning, only to Sabbath school class, once the Sabbath school finishes, they leave.”

Wow! Now if you are trying to sell us ocean front property in Arizona, please tell us!! This my brethren is clearly false and an attempt to  ostracize the Davidians.  Davidians, as we are well aware nearly always attend the full services. So IR begins to plant his unholy seeds among the gullible and his narrative continues on with such lies and distorting.

(11:30 mark)

IR claims that Victor Houteff claimed that “he” was the “only prophet” that could interpret the prophecies of Scripture. Again, we as DSDA know full well that this is a lie. For in Zech. 4, the prophecy of the olive trees and the Golden Oil, we know that there are TWO PIPES coming from the trees, indicating there is to be two prophets in the last days, (EGW and VTH) to interpret Scripture for the laity.

This prophecy, of course is not discussed by IR. As his whole agenda here is to discourage and make of no effect the Lord’s Rod.

Again IR ignores the Scriptures by advocating “private interpretation” by casting away the Lord’s remedy and powerful instructions on how we as His remnant people are to learn truth (Zech. 4 prophesy).

See this Tract Six (page 17-25) —

(12:20 mark)

IR claims that Davidians claim they are Seventh-day Adventists. “It is time to set the record straight” he says. He then tries to make the point that DSDA are not a part of the church. However, to be a DSDA one must follow the message as given in the Lord’s Rod message, let us read–

“God says now to work within the Laodicean congregation rather than without. And what He says, that He means, and we dare not disobey, regardless what men may say or do.”   (Answerer, vol.2, Q- 32)



“Assuredly we do believe that this is no time to be pulling apart, but indeed to be pressing together. And the message which we are bearing to the church, not only does not contain any doctrine or teaching which would warrant our leaving her ranks to become a separate cult, but does on the contrary absolutely forbid our doing so.

For these reasons, we have from the beginning steadfastly refused, even in the face of abusive treatment, to leave the Mother church.” (The Answerer, vol. 2, Q-32)


Two of the chief reasons for not staying away from Sabbath School and church services are, (1) that we would be depriving ourselves of the privilege of public worship in the church we helped build, and (2) that by absenting ourselves from services, we would become strangers  to our brethren and would have to become reacquainted with them if ever we were to give the message to them.

By continuing, though, to go to church, we are then, after the congregation is dismissed, afforded an opportunity to speak with the brethren in the interest of the message, urging them to investigate for themselves either by attending our studies or by reading the publications of Present Truth…

   ..So, if we voluntarily stay away from the church services, we lay ourselves open to the charge of being offshoots from the body, and at the same time forfeit the opportunity of coming in contact with the congregation.

   Moreover, if in this wise we separate ourselves, then in the fulfillment of Ezekiel 9. when those who have not the “mark” are taken away, we shall not have the same right to claim an inheritance in the Denomination.” (Answerer, vol. 4, Q- 90)

So again Rodriguez does not know what the Davidian message teaches. Note also, these references show his false assertion that the DSDA only attend Sabbath school is inherently false and those who do such things are not following the message.

(23:40 mark)

IR here attempts to pray for the Holy Spirit to guide his presentations. Yet, the last time we checked, lies can never been seen as “truth.” It is appropriate now to quote again this Scripture–

” He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them.” (2 Thes. 2:10)

Lies can never be pleasing to God and so far we have seen false stating of  facts and an  agenda that tries to spread the idea that the Lord’s Rod is of no effect or meaningless. This in no way can be the “Spirit of Truth” guiding. Let us continue.

(48:20 mark)

“After Laodicea (church) there is no provision  for another church..there is not going to be another church, there is not going to be another denomination, there is not going to be another organization. Why is that important? Because the Davidians claim that they are the eighth church…”

Before we explain what the Davidian teaching is on this point, we’d like to make an illustration. Imagine a caterpillar and the metamorphosis that God does with that creature. Is not the Butterfly a part of the caterpillar, but which has transformed from it, and now is a new creature? Part of the old yet a new beautiful creature. This is the same basic principle of the transformation of the SDA church to another “future named” church.

Let us read the word of God —

Isa. 65:13-15 — “Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, My servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, My servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, My servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed: behold, My servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.  And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto My chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call His servants by another name.”

“These evil doers may not now give even a thought to this solemn warning, but as sure as day is followed by night, just that sure their want, shame, sorrow, and calamity are soon to come.

Timely Greetings, Vol. 1, No. 44                          7

   The denominational name will they leave to God’s servants; that is, to those who escape from the Lord’s sword shall the name consequently be left.  The name, however, is left only as a curse, and His servants will be called by another name which “the mouth of the Lord shall name.”

God’s word says, it shall soon come to pass that the denomination name as Seventh-day Adventist will be left as a “curse”. The 8th church will come from the 7th, a transformation and purification which God Himself authorizes and completes. This is the ONLY way the work of the Loud Cry can go to completion.

“The great issue so near at hand will weed out those whom God has not appointed, and He will have a pure, true, sanctified ministry prepared for the latter rain.” (Manuscript Releases, vol. 12, p.327)

(54:00 mark)

IR points out that we as SDA need the power of the Holy Spirit to finish the work of the Loud Cry. He bemoans that we have not received it. Yet he fails to understand this basic law of God–that He cannot pour out His spirit whiles sins exist among them. For a so-called pastor Rodriguez is either woefully ignoring SOP or is woefully uneducated.

“God’s displeasure is upon His people, and He will not manifest His power in the midst of them while sins exist among them and are fostered by those in responsible positions.” (Vol. 3, Testimonies p. 270)

Once more IR fails to understand that the Davidian message knows well that this revival and reformation is critical to receiving the full power of God’s Spirit in order to finish the Loud Cry to all the world.

“We conceive that there are none upon whom God’s wrath will be visited more completely than upon those who have known the truth, are closely related to it, as it were, and yet turn from it to become persecutors of those who do right.” (SRod, vol. 1, p.160) 

(Note: we may expand these posts if there is more to explain)


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