Archive | November, 2015

3 Important questions from the Field

22 Nov

Question mark

We as workers in His vineyard come across many questions asked of us during our work. If we are active, there are more questions obviously. So what we’d like to do is submit some questions that we find timely and give some helpful answers.


Question 1–  I am a believer in the Lord and His present truth message. But I have not been regular in my Tithes. I feel my close relationship with Him is enough. Am I on safe ground?

This is a very precarious position. Look at what Inspiration says —

“Prayer offered ever so often and ever so earnestly will never be accepted by God in the place of our tithe. Prayer will not pay our debts to God.” — “Messages to Young People,” p. 248. (SC, vol. 2, no. 10, p.12)

That is powerful! Even if we have what we think is a good prayer relationship, it is not accepted by God. This shows the magnitude of the importance of paying our Tithes.

Question 2—   I’m a firm believer in the “those with” the 144,000 that will survive the church judgment. Is not all the many quotes in the Rod enough evidence to prove  that?

Yes, there are many quotes that “appear” to support the understanding that others besides the 144,000 from the SDA church survive. However if one truly desires to know the truth, they will find a preponderance of evidence showing that there can be no “living” those with from among the SDA church.

We have completed a 7 part post (called–The 144,000 Truth) on this blog showing that there is approximately  10 to 1 references supporting only 144,000 living sealed from the SDA church at judgment time. So the weight of evidence is very strongly in favor of no–those with.

Additionally we did a supplement post called (“Identifying those with”)** which we pointed out the following key point that really strikes a blow to those who promote their so-called “supporting evidence” of the those with.

We notice that almost all of the believers in the those with theory like to quote many references that were written by the prophet prior to 1944. For example this classic–

“All that are found members of the church up to the fulfillment of Ezekiel Nine will either receive the seal and be a part of or with the 144,000, or else be left without the seal and fall under the “slaughter weapons” of the “five men.”(SC, vol. 2, no.5-6, p.8)

Now if we are surface readers who have not studied ALL the SRod then we could very well think that there are to be others from the SDA church who survive (sealed) , along with the 144,000.

That quote was made in June of 1936. There are other references that appear to show the same evidence made prior to 1944.

But if one buys into this idea, then he comes head on to the following made AFTER all those quotes were written —

“Notwithstanding the fact that “in the closing work” for the Seventh-day Adventist denomination, only 144,000 are to be sealed (Answerer, vol. 3, Q-54)(1944)

A fact? Yes!  The Rod says it is a FACT that only 144,000  are to be sealed. So this alone destroys their false ideas.  Prophet  brother Houteff , dispells all thinking that his prior quotes meant that there will be others who are sealed in the SDA church. No , he meant it totally different from what some like to twist it into.

For more clarity see the post mentioned **.

Question 3–  I do not pay tithes because I find that all the major DSDA groups today are teaching error and or misapplied the tithes. How can we support such wrongs?

This question really has two parts. 1) We should closely examine the so-called “Storehouses” of the organizations claiming to be proclaiming the Lord’s Rod message (Micah 6;9).

We should know that they are not “adding or subtracting” to the message. We should know that they are a true organization, meaning they have a council, following the Rod in organizational/group rules and laws, etc.

For example we know of some brethren who have the questioners same attitude and then say to us. “We consider ourselves a storehouse because we do all the right things and teach the right things.” They try to justify themselves for not supporting the real organizations.

That brings us to what constitutes teaching the “right things”. We say that ALL the ORIGINAL Rod writings should be taught.

Organizations like Lennox Sam’s  and Ariel D.’s who add and subtract SO MANY things of the Rod, should definitely be avoided.

The one area that the Lord has guided us here on HEARYETHEROD that is a common question point is–the new codes. Yes, we agree that they should not be taught, BUT we are led to believe that this is not a salvational issue and the Lord has allowed this grey area to exist.

When one truly looks at the issue of new codes, we find that the main basic misunderstanding is that of the Assyrian confederacy. Meaning that the new codes show a different time line of certain end time events.

So we would not hold this against our two big DSDA organizations –Waco and Mt. Dale. Additionally, we praise the Lord that some members of these organizations are seeing the light and shunning the new codes. We are discovering this and know that the Lord will  not hold back the full blaze of light for all those who want the truth, despite the misunderstandings on later code references.

This confusion is similar to back in Paul’s day. he was often trying to straighten out this group and that group, for this or that error. yet he often did not condemn them but reached out in love to help them.He left in the King’s hands the results.

About the second point, which is the justification of holding back the Tithes. Both the SOP and Rod are too clear to misunderstand this issue.

“Some have been dissatisfied and have said: “I will not longer pay my tithe; for I have no confidence in the way things are managed at the heart of the work.” But will you rob God because you think the management of the work is not right?

Make your complaint, plainly and openly, in the right spirit, to the proper ones. Send in your petitions for things to be adjusted and set in order; but do not withdraw from the work of God, and prove unfaithful, because others are not doing right.” (Testimonies, vol. 9, p.249)


Question No. 98:

   Should we pay our tithe to the “storehouse” if we know that it is not used rightly?


   Knowing that our tithe belongs to God’s storehouse, our greatest burden should be to see that it is faithfully paid there. Nowhere in the Bible do we find that the Lord has laid upon any tithe payer the policing of the channels through which these funds pass.

   The Lord’s treasury is under His control, and if He Himself should not see fit to correct an abuse in the handling of His money, certainly we could not correct it however hard we might try. If we guard carefully that part of His work which He entrusts to us, our only concern will be to find out where His “storehouse” is, and then faithfully to deposit His money there. He has not made us responsible for its use; that, He will personally take over–even as He is now “taking the reins in His own hands.”

   When the Promised Land was divided among the twelve tribes of Israel, the tribe of Levi received no land for an inheritance, as did the eleven tribes. Instead, the Lord decreed that the tithes of the other tribes were to go to the Levites. This was their inheritance. It was actually their own. And

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just as they, as the tithe receivers, had no right to dictate to the others, the tithe payers, what to do with their own increase after it had been tithed, so the tithe payers had no right to dictate to the tithe receivers what to do with the tithe. Each tribe was itself to be accountable to the Lord for that which He had entrusted to it. Thus it must be today.

We hope these answers have helped to clarify some issues. The time is so short, we must come into line with what the Lord’s last message requires of us–God bless.


Armoring the Saints

14 Nov

God's word

Most of us are well aware that the Scriptures are our strength. God’s word, our mighty fortress. But sometimes we find something that truly makes us say–“Praise the Lord!”

A bright light shines in us and we are made aware of the deep things in the Word, and even a new understanding. Such is the case of what happened this week in my studies concerning the ol nemesis that haunts us Davidians.

It’s the Satan snare of keeping the feast days. Truly this snare is more widespread today than many realize, especially among “so called” –“Davidians”. Those who thus try and straddle the fence truly are the other application of–

“And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.”(Isaiah 4:1)

So let us now look at some clear unmistakable powerful  words and reasoning from the word of God. This can be some armor against those whom we come in contact with.

In Daniel 9:27 we read-

“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

Here we see that the Lord causes the sacrifices AND oblations (offerings) to CEASE. Let us read what the Rod says about this reference–

Dan. 9:26, 27 — “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 

And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations He shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

Just what was to take place during the first seven weeks or 49 years I am not prepared to say, but in the end of the next 62 weeks, or 434 years the Messiah was to be cut off, crucified.  During the remaining week, the 70th, He was to confirm the covenant with many, and in the midst of it He was to be cut off, crucified; that is, there were to be 3 1/2 years from His baptism to the crucifixion, and 3 1/2 years after the crucifixion in which He was to confirm the covenant. 

This completes the 70 weeks and brings us to the time to apostles were commanded to go out and preach the Gospel to the Gentiles: One named Cornelius (a Gentile), and Peter (a Jew and an Apostle) were both given a vision: Cornelius was instructed to see Peter and Peter was commanded to meet Cornelius.  See Acts, chapter 10.  The Jews as a nation failed to make an end of sin and were therefore rejected, given up.

   Christ’s own sacrifice at the end of the first 3 1/2 years replaced the sacrificial ceremonial system, and thus He caused the sacrifice to cease in the midst of the week.  All this, time and event, you see, took place exactly as Gabriel predicted.(TG, vol. 2, no.33, p.8-9)

Christ replaced the sacrificial ceremonial system. So what was entailed with these ceremonies? Not only sacrifices but offerings (oblations). As they all together were part of the “system” this was all to cease.

So what do we see here? The whole feast day ceremonies were gutted! The offerings which were integral to the ceremonies  were to close out.

Well if we take out the offerings along with the sacrifices, then what is left? A mere shell of the feast day. It would be like saying we must have communion but with out the bread and grape juice.

Additionally the argument that Christ kept the feast days as proof that they still exist is muted due to the fact that the middle of the “week” was not yet up for the feasts to cease! Our King was at liberty to try and save His own through all methods including keeping the feasts.

Another attempt to persuade us to keep the feasts is the following reference–

“Broadly speaking, the law of Moses consists of three parts.  The first is the Ceremonial law, the law of the temple — the sacrificial law.  This law, of course, we today must not observe, except in antitype, for it foreshadowed things to come, particularly Christ’s first advent.” (TG, vol. 2, no.37, p.14-15)

They say “See we must keep them in anti-type.” Yet they show us with this statement that 1) They haven’t read the Rod 2) If they have they don’t understand it.

Let us see just what this “anti-type” obedience means. First , here is a helpful reference to establish what “keeping the feasts” mean.

“Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts [the truth of the sanctuary], perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.” Nah. 1:15. (Tract 4, p.61)

“Because sin entered the human family, the Lord instituted the sanctuary truth, which typically illustrates His sacrifice, death and resurrection – the revelation of our redemption. Thus in keeping the Sabbath and sanctuary truth, we openly confess that Christ is both Creator and Redeemer. “Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath day.” (Mark 2:28.)

        The Bible is the revelation of creation and redemption in Christ – Creator and Redeemer. Therefore, the Sabbath and the Sanctuary constitute “The Truth.” (See Hebrews 9:10, 4:4-10.) Thus these two doctrines are coupled together, cannot be separated, and bear the whole truth.   How do we keep the Sanctuary truth? It is kept, not in type, but in anti-type. By faith we believe that Christ, our High Priest, in the heavenly sanctuary is officiating in our behalf, as it was taught in type by the earthly sanctuary, built by Moses. As Israel complied with the requirements of its service in the type, so we must in the anti-type. Thus we “proclaim the truth [Sabbath and Sanctuary] more fully.” (2 SROD, p.138-139)

Ah, there we go! Feast keeping= Truth of the Sanctuary   Sanctuary truth keeping= Belief in Christ officiating in heaven’s Sanctuary . Bottomline –Feasts are kept by believing in Christ’s work in our behalf in the heavenly Sanctuary.

Let us use this logic as well. “But since we are living in the Christian era, if we should now observe the typical sacrificial law and system, we should thereby demonstrate unbelief in Christ, Who has come. And so, as this law was nailed to the cross (Col. 2:14), we need not, and must not, observe it now. ” (TG, vol. 2, no.37, p.15)

Who among would be stupid enough to think VTH was warning us to not sacrifice? Of course not. There is only one logical conclusion, the “must not observe it now” applies to the other types of observances of the system. Therefore he was showing that the “other” part of the observances , ie. ceremonial observance without the sacrifice was to be –avoided.

Now to close it out, we have no excuse in not knowing the Lord’s restoration of this feast keeping understanding. And should we STILL continue on this trap, we shall come to the solemn promise–

And so, as this law was nailed to the cross (Col. 2:14), we need not, and must not, observe it now. ” (TG, vol. 2, no.37, p.15)

“And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” (Mark 4:9)

“No Unity” You Say?

2 Nov

No Unity

Our above picture is a perfect example of what we, as Davidians Seventh-day Adventists sometimes do. We decide to go against each other on a non-salvational issue and the result? Disunity. Let us look at this matter and how Inspiration through the 3 Inspired sources, Scripture, Spirit of Prophecy, and the Elijah message make clear what we need to know about–unity.

Recently I was on a favorite pastime of mine– Facebook ministry. A man had posted a question whether we should have unity among us Davidians or not. A couple people protested that we should NOT expect unity among us.

This is so outlandish as to be truly amazing! Let us look at their very prophet , whom they “profess” to “believe” in and see what he had to say–


Question No. 104:

   How can believers attain and maintain unity among themselves?


   To defeat the Enemy and maintain unity and harmony, let every believer cease finding fault with his brethren; watch his own steps and not theirs; realize that they have the same opportunity as does he to know the difference between right and wrong; bear his own and not their responsibility; esteem them better than himself; and do and say nothing he would not like them to do or say to him.

   Let each realize, as did Paul, that charitableness–forbearance through love–is the most indispensable, urgent, and lofty of all attainments:

   “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand  all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

   “And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Charity  suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

   “Charity never faileth: but whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.” 1 Cor. 13.

   Do this, Brethren, and the Devil will flee and your troubles after him.

   Remember that “Satan lives, and is active, and every day we need to cry earnestly to God for help and strength to resist him. As long as Satan reigns we shall have self to subdue, besetments to overcome! and there is no stopping-place, there is no point to which we can come and say we have fully attained.

   “The Christian life is constantly an onward march. Jesus sits as a refiner and purifier of his people; and when his image is perfectly reflected  in them, they are perfect and holy, and prepared for translation.”–Testimonies, Vol 1, p. 340.

   If Christians never accuse one another, never communicate one another’s mistakes, shortcomings, failures, and troubles, they will find themselves so united that nothing can break their common Christian bond. But such a spirit of oneness can be maintained only by a people who keep a tireless vigil over themselves, always to see eye to eye and to speak the same things by forsaking their own ways and thoughts in exchange for the Lord’s.

   It is imperative, therefore, that every Present-truth believer teach and practice only Present Truth–teach not short of nor beyond what is published, weave not into it private interpretations or constructions, theories and ideas, and do nothing less or nothing more than what the message calls for.

   Thus putting aside your own thoughts and your own ways, and availing yourselves of the Lord’s (Isa. 55:8, 9), in exclusive devotion to the Spirit of Truth, you will really see eye to eye, and speak the same things. Then only will you be able to dispel the spirit of confusion and to retain the spirit of love and unity.

   And since there is strength and spirituality only where there is union, no member of a group of people can afford to neglect his duty in maintaining such Christian unity. (Answerer, p.66-69)

Wow! Now if that is not all encompassing, tell me where there is an answer to this question, better than this.

Let us summarize some of the salient points that stand out and bring home the forceful truth.

First, we see that “self” is our first obstacle to unity. We have neglected to watch our “own steps”. Criticizers are usually the ones who profess “no unity”. Why? Because of self! They have had disagreements with other brethren, and because other brethren do not see things their way, they accuse them of being “false brethren”.Then they find that they are on the “outside” and use this “no unity” excuse to justify why they aren’t getting along with the brethren. In other words the no unity excuse is a cover for their discord!

Well the Lord has words for those who sow discord-

There are six things that the Lord hates, …and one who sows discord among brothers.”( Proverbs 6:16-19)

Did we also see a most important attitude we must have from our prophet’s counsel?  Esteem others BETTER than ourselves! What does this mean? It means we should desire to be a SERVANT to others instead of attempting to climb the judgment seat.

Do we think the Lord will wink at us when we sow such discord? Words cannot describe what the discorder will see and realize if they do not repent.

Does this mean we should get along with everybody under every circumstance? No it does not. In fact the Scriptures are quite clear about this–

“Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning, knowing that such a man is corrupt and is sinning, being self-condemned.” (Titus 3:10-11)

Perhaps one of the greatest causes of dis-unity is disagreeing or even arguing over Inspired references and using this as an excuse to stop further communication with brethren. SOP has excellent counsel–

“One man may be conversant with the Scriptures, and some particular portion of the Scripture may be especially appreciated by him; another sees another portion as very important, and thus one may present one point, and another, another point, and both may be of highest value. This is all in the order of God. But if a man makes a mistake in his interpretation of some portion of the Scripture, shall this cause diversity and disunion? God forbid.

We cannot then take a position that the unity of the church consists in viewing every text of Scripture in the very same light. The church may pass resolution upon resolution to put down all disagreement of opinions, but we cannot force the mind and will, and thus root out disagreement. These resolutions may conceal the discord, but they cannot quench it and establish perfect agreement. Nothing can perfect unity in the church but the spirit of Christlike forbearance. Satan can sow discord; Christ alone can harmonize the disagreeing elements.

Then let every soul sit down in Christ’s school and learn of Christ, who declares Himself to be meek and lowly of heart. Christ says that if we learn of Him, worries will cease and we shall find rest to our souls.” (1888 Materials, p,1092)

In closing my brethren, be on guard of those who sow discord by saying “no unity”. They have self in the way and are not following God’s word as clearly stated above. Be ever for–unity– and strive to know and KEEP your friendships with all , ESPECIALLY to the household of faith.

“As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.” (Gal. 6:10)

Let us close with these most powerful God spoken words–

  “If Christians never accuse one another, never communicate one another’s mistakes, shortcomings, failures, and troubles, they will find themselves so united that nothing can break their common Christian bond.” (Answerer, p.68)

“The Lord desires His chosen servants to learn how to unite in harmonious effort…in every word and act, kindness and love will be revealed; and as each worker fills his appointed place faithfully, the prayer of Christ for unity of His followers will be answered, and the world will know that these are His disciples.” (Gospel Workers, p.483)