Unity oh Unity, where are You? (Part 1 of 2)

18 Nov

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The prophet David, inspired by the Holy Spirit spoke–

“A Song of degrees of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!”(Psalms 133:1)

Whenever the Scriptures have an exclamation mark, you know it is a forceful and powerful point. Unity is said to be– very pleasant and good in God’s eyes. Has this desire and goal changed among us present truth believers today?

Obviously our message of the Lord’s Rod has splintered and there exists several organizations and even many “mom and pop” shops as we call them.

Yet there is still only one Truth, one Lord and Savior, one goal. What gives? Let us look at this situation closely and see why we have such divisions and what we should do about it.

One of the primary causes today of our brethren being regulated into different groups is–interpretation. The Rod says–

“..today we have thousands of isms which are the result of thousands of interpretations of the Scriptures, which proves that men have independently of the Spirit interpreted the Scriptures, for the Spirit of Prophecy does not, and cannot, give to one person one interpretation of scripture, and give to another another interpretation of the same scripture.” (SC, vol.4, no.10-12, p.3)

Yes, even now as we speak we have “isms” even among us present truth believers. We have–

Teachers of pasture -isms

Teachers of Ezekiel 47 -isms

Teachers of Symbolic Code -isms

Teachers of thosewith -isms

While there is much disagreement on the aforementioned isms, this does not constitute all the different disagreements on Bible interpretations. Let us discuss these differences.

Bashan organization a while back, endeavoured on a “unity” campaign. Even going so far as meet the Mountain Dale brethren at their convocation in 2016. As we posted prior, brother Trevor must be commended for reaching out in this pursuit, but what has been the results of such efforts?

Trevor wished to discuss their differences and see if they could meet on common ground. From what we have heard, there hasn’t been much headway in solving their differences. They have met since then and nothing has changed, they are still stuck on their perspective beliefs such as where is the current pasture for dispensing the message right now and why there has to be a living prophet/porter to dispense the meat in due season, etc.

Then we have the two similar groups (Mt. Dale and Waco). The big issue as far as we can tell is the prophecy of Ezek. 47–the river. Both claim that their location should be the current main headquarters for the message and because the river goes eastward so too must the headquarters.

Then we have Salem organization, headed by brother Don Adair. His group strongly disagrees with most all the other groups in how many will be sealed from the S.D.A. Church, ie. more than 144,000. Known as the living “those with” to escape the church judgment at Ezek. 9. Mt. Dale and Waco do not subscribe to such ideas, but Bashan does, due to the fact that Bashan’s founder–M.J. Bingham– is the originator of such teachings.

Then we have a host of smaller groups, often led by just one or two people. They have decided that the other groups are not right, filled with error, or some other point of disagreement and have set up their own homes as the “storehouse”. This serious offense must be corrected due to the warning from the prophet against such moves in Answerer, vol. 4, Q-97.

Let us first start analyzing the small mom and pops shops. They do not wish to come together in unity with any of the “Big four” as we call them because they perceive “error” of one type or another. They have a right to disagree, sure. But the Rod makes it clear that such disagreement with a subsequent willingness to forego sending in their tithes to the storehouse  is not an excuse.

IS IT MY DUTY TO SET RIGHT THE LORD’S TREASURY?

Question No. 98:

   Should we pay our tithe to the “storehouse” if we know that it is not used rightly?

Answer:

   Knowing that our tithe belongs to God’s storehouse, our greatest burden should be to see that it is faithfully paid there. Nowhere in the Bible do we find that the Lord has laid upon any tithe payer the policing of the channels through which these funds pass.

   The Lord’s treasury is under His control, and if He Himself should not see fit to correct an abuse in the handling of His money, certainly we could not correct it however hard we might try. If we guard carefully that part of His work which He entrusts to us, our only concern will be to find out where His “storehouse” is, and then faithfully to deposit His money there. He has not made us responsible for its use; that, He will personally take over–even as He is now “taking the reins in His own hands.”

   When the Promised Land was divided among the twelve tribes of Israel, the tribe of Levi received no land for an inheritance, as did the eleven tribes. Instead, the Lord decreed that the tithes of the other tribes were to go to the Levites. This was their inheritance. It was actually their own. And

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just as they, as the tithe receivers, had no right to dictate to the others, the tithe payers, what to do with their own increase after it had been tithed, so the tithe payers had no right to dictate to the tithe receivers what to do with the tithe. Each tribe was itself to be accountable to the Lord for that which He had entrusted to it. Thus it must be today.

Ok the first point is clear, these home storehouses have “no right to dictate” to any true storehouse of the Lord, what to do with the tithe. The second area that needs to be cleared is “where and who is God’s true storehouse today?” If the mom and pop shops should not keep the tithes and send them to the storehouse, where is that?

First and foremost, a legitimate DSDA association should abide by Leviticus Tract. In that Inspired book lays out the groundwork for an association to work with. The mom and pops shops rarely , if ever, have more than one or two people running the show. In this regard, we know that Mt. Dale and Waco have an “executive council” with regular meetings throughout the year. We are not 100% sure on Salem or Bashan.

The Tract link is provided–

http://shepherds-rod.org/Misc/LevDSDA.htm

We cannot go into this deep subject now as this post is centered on unity and lack of, we suggest the reader see our post —

https://hearyetherod.wordpress.com/2016/07/17/seeing-through-the-tithe-dilemma-part-1-of-2/

Our point is that we should advise our fellow Rod believers, especially the small mom and pop shops to not use perceived “teaching error” as a basis of withholding what is God’s. This reason for not unifying with the brethren is a stern warning, as SOP says —

“Angels keep a faithful record of every man’s work, and as judgment passes upon the house of God, the sentence of each is recorded by his name, and the angel is commissioned to spare not the unfaithful servants, but to cut them down at the time of slaughter….And the crowns they might have worn, had they been faithful, are put upon the heads of those saved by the faithful servants….”Testimonies, Vol. 1, p. 198.

So our first point on the unity issue is made. The single or couple people who often call themselves a “storehouse” are trying to advocate “stay away from so and so organization” are in themselves filled with false ideas and a faulty premise.

The Rod distinguishes “essential” issues from non-essential and tithe paying is absolutely essential —

"Suffice it to say that our experience in gospel publishing work teaches us that many who have spent almost  countless hours of precious time in confusing the subject of the sign of Jonah, have spent but very little time in studying more essential subjects such as the prohibition against private interpretations of the Scriptures (2 Pet. 1:19, 20); the Spirit of Prophecy (Rev. 19:10); the Sabbath (Ex. 20:8-11); baptism (Matt. 3:15; Acts 2:38); the Kingdom (Isa. 2:2), the slaughter of Ezekiel 9, tithe paying (Mal. 3:10);.."(Tract 10. p.20)

Like the Rod says, imagine if all us present truth believers went our separate ways, would it not be as the Rod says?

 “Should one voluntarily, though, engage in such a practice then he would set the wrong example before others. And if following in his lead, others assume  the same right, their course must inevitably  result in seriously handicapping the Lord’s work, bleeding and subverting His treasury, and thus disorganizing His work and reducing the church to a mere shell, while her members are hiring themselves as laborers in the Lord’s vineyard, helping themselves to the Lord’s money, and running without having been sent! What a Babylon that would be!” (Answerer, vol. 4, Q- 97)

As a personal testimony, we have over the years been asked if we accept tithes. We answer that we are not a storehouse, neither an official DSDA organization. We do accept “donations” if they are inclined to contribute to our work. We once had a “donate” button on one of our websites (sighandcry777.wordpress.com) until we read the following Rod quote —

“The message invests no one with authority to solicit financial help to carry on either their work or that of The Shepherd’s Rod.” (SC, vol. 8, no.1-12, p.23)

In our next post we shall attempt to provide some reasons why very little unifications exists between the big four. But rest assured we see from our first post, we cannot use  the usual mom and pop’s poor excuse of “error” as a reason to not unify. When we ask these mom and pop groups, where did you hear of the message and what group did the Lord use to bring you into it? They usually answer one of the organizations they are so quick to condemn!

Stay tuned for part Two….

 

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“The Present Truth–Purification of the 11th Hour Church” Part 2 of 2

4 Nov

We conclude our 2 part post showing more of the Rod references that Lennox Sam uses to justify his supplemental teachings, and whether the references thus shown  are in fact supportive of his assertions.

To Recap, Sam teaches that the DSDA are first to experience an Ezek. 9 purification. Then later the SDA church will experience a 2nd Ezek. 9. Let us continue with the rest of his so-called supportive references.

Tract 3, p.76 and p.78 –

  “Here we see commanded the observance of three harvest rites: (1) the ceremony of the wave-sheaf, at the beginning of the first harvest; (2) the ceremony of the wave-loaves, at the close of the first harvest; and (3) the feast of tabernacles at the close of the second harvest. Being typical, these two grain harvests with their three literal sacraments, accordingly foreshadow two soul harvests with three spiritual rites, the first of which is the

First Fruits With Wave-Sheaf And Wave-Loaves.”(page 76)

“Both the wave-sheaf and the wave-loaves were thank offerings for the first fruits. One was dedicated at the beginning of the harvest; the other at the completion of it. In contrast to the wave-sheaf of cut stalks of grain, prefiguring fruits to be gathered after the sheaf was offered, the wave-loaves, being a finished product, signified fruits previously gathered. (The reader who would best comprehend the significance of these three ceremonial celebrations all-important to our salvation, will follow the chart of page 77, as we proceed.)” (page 78)

Once again the SRod Scriptural/SOP index is indispensable.In reviewing Lev. 23:10-11 and Lev.23:16,17, of which Sam claims are his Scriptural references in support his pre- SDA Ezek. 9 teachings, we show all the Rod references that explains those Bible verses. None of them mention or suggest an idea of a DSDA church judgment except if you are of course Mr. Sam.

These explain Lev.23:10-11 and Lev. 23:16,17–

a. 3 Tract, page 75,76

b. 2 SR, p.22

c. 3 Ans. p.12

d. 3 Ans p.11

 

LDSDA, p.3 —

“The name, Davidian, deriving from the name of the king of Ancient Israel, accrues to this Association by reason of its following aspects: First, it is dedicated to the work of announcing and bringing forth the restoration (as predicted in Hosea 1:11; 3:5) of David’s kingdom in antitype, upon the throne of which Christ, “the son of David,” is to sit. 

Second, it purports itself to be the first of the first fruits of the living, the vanguard from among the present-day descendants of those Jews who composed the Early Christian Church.  With the emergence of this vanguard and its army, the first fruits, from which are elected the 12,000 out of each of the twelve tribes of Jacob, “the 144,000″ (Rev. 14:1; 7:2-8) who stand on Mount Zion with the Lamb (Rev. 14:1; 7:2-8), the reign of antitypical David begins.”

Sam , we believe uses this reference because of the idea that the vanguard are separate from the rest of the 144,000, thus giving him liberty to suggest that they experience a first position in regards to doing the work of the 144,000.

Yet when we read carefully the statement we see that “..the emergence of this vanguard and its army, the first fruits, from which are elected the 12,000 out of each of the twelve tribes of Jacob, “the 144,000″..”

The vanguard are lumped together with the rest of the 144,000 and termed an “army”. His elect unified not divided into two groups! True there are those of the DSDA termed “Horses” , per Zech. 6, who lead out in the work, pulling the carriage (the remainder of the 144,000) yet they are all hitched as a team. We are surprised for example, that Sam does not try to teach that the horses “the first of the first fruits” are cut from the carriage “the balance of the DSDA”! We think he would if he could.

 

Jezreel Letter no. 6, p.2 —

“Besides their racial lineage of identification there are the words “first,” “fruits,” “servants of God,” “sealed” and “standing on Mount Zion” by which to identify who the 144,000 are and what they are.  Obviously they are called fruits because they are the result of the “harvest,” the work which separates the tares from the wheat.  The word “first” connotes that they are the first crop (group) to be harvested — separated from the “tares,” for Jesus explains that the harvest is the time in which to separate the tares from the wheat (Matt. 13:30).

Nothing here at all can be used as support for a pre-DSDA Ezek. 9–nothing!

SROD, vol. 1, p.37 —

“When Moses came down from the mountain, he took a record of all who had worshipped the calf.  “Standing in the gate of the camp, Moses called to the people, ‘Who is on the Lord’s side?  Let him come unto Me.’  Those who had not joined in the apostasy were to take their position at the right of Moses; those who were guilty but repentant, at the left.  The command was obeyed. 

It was found that the tribe of Levi had taken no part in the idolatrous worship.” Patriarchs and Prophets, page 324.  For this reason God honored the tribe of Levi.  We read on page 277: “After the institution of the tabernacle service, the Lord chose unto Himself the tribe of Levi for the work of the sanctuary, instead of the first-born of the people.”

Here we suppose Sam proposes that the tribe of Levi , those among the DSDA who are now pure, are thus worthy to be spared in Sam’s idea of Ezek. 9 to the DSDA. Again, plain out and out false interpretations in full bloom.

 

Tract no. 1, p.38 —

   “And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt Thou destroy all the residue of Israel in Thy pouring out of Thy fury upon Jerusalem?  Then said He unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great,…and as for Me also, Mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity.” Ezek. 9:8-10.

   After the sighing and crying ones were marked (which is not to be understood as being consummated in its entirety worldwide before the slaying follows anywhere), the slaughter completed, and the matter reported, the Lord “spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city.” Ezek. 10:2.

Once again we suggest the reader review the SRod Index and search all references from the Rod about Ezek. 9:8-10 and 10:2.  You will not find ONE Rod interpretation even hinting  at these Scriptural verses pointing to Sam’s idea of a pre Ezek. 9 on DSDA. Search and see.

 

1 TG, no. 52

In Sam’s last supportive Rod reference, he decides to use the “whole thing”. Kinda of like “let’s throw in the kitchen sink for good measure”, lol.  Read it closely and once again Sam strikes out of anything clear and unmistakable evidence of his ideas.

In Summary —

Dear brethren, it is obvious that what we have here is a man who has  lost his way, and sadly it appears, hundreds if not thousands of his followers. Instead of spreading the 11th hour message to our church, Sam leads his followers to abandon Mother and instead try and give the message of an first Ezekiel 9 to the “DSDA church”. Pure private interpretations of the Rod.

The Spirit of Prophecy appears to have rightly called out this situation. May the Lord awakens this man before it’s too late.

“How vain is the help of man when Satan’s power is exercised over a human being who has become self-exalted and who knows not that he is partaking of the science of Satan. In his self-confidence he walks right into the enemy’s trap and is ensnared. He did not heed the warnings given and was taken as Satan’s prey. If he had walked humbly with God, he would have run into the trysting place God had provided for him. Thus in times of danger he would have been safe, for God would have lifted for him a standard against the enemy.”(Letter 126, 1906.)

“The Present Truth–Purification of the 11th Hour Church” Part 1 of 2

14 Oct

We as present truth believers, those of us who stick to the plain clear writings of the Rod, truly know we have a very troubling man who has promoted a very deceptive message among us. Sadly, not a few have been hoodwinked by this trickery.

Once again our supposed friend of the Gospel, brother Lennox Sam, has been brought to our attention. Recently we had a chance to address a concern on Facebook. A brother in the message asked us where we could find some of Sam’s beliefs. Naturally we pointed him to his home page of the “GADSDA.Com”.

To be frankly forthright, Lennox Sam has done some good things for the message, namely the exposing of the “new codes”. His reports on this subject really did bring much truth to the surface. Such that today the idea that the new codes are inspired is deteriorating among many present truth believers.

But he did not stop there, unfortunately his desire for more and more truth led him to be where he is today–teaching private interpretations as we’ll point out in this post. While it is not wrong to keep wanting to learn, a line is crossed when one chooses to ignore what the Lord plainly says through His prophets, for one’s own interpretive ideas.

Sam , of all people should know he is inserting his own pipe into the Golden Bowl, making prophetic predictions,  a disastrous action that will lead what the Word says–perdition.

Upon reviewing his site again we noticed supplemental belief number 7, it reads as follows —

 

“That the purification of the Seventh-day Adventists Denomination, the first fruits of the harvest, is in two sections, the first purification will be in the Eleventh-hour Church by the six men of Ezekiel chapter nine, in which there is an intervening time between the sealing and the slaughter, the second is in the Ninth-hour Church by the five men of Ezekiel chapter nine, while the man with the inkhorn marks; in the general destruction of the wicked, in which there is no intervening time between the sealing and the slaughter. Pursuant to Ezek. 9:2; TN3: 71.1-2; SR2: 185:3; TN3: 76.1, 78.1; LDSDA: 3.2; JL6: 2.1; SR1: 37.2; TN1: 38.2; 1TG52.”

We have posted a report already concerning the “two churches” idea, please see this link —

https://hearyetherod.wordpress.com/2016/04/30/lennox-sam-two-churches-dsda-and-sda/

As we review number 7, we can see that Sam promotes his idea that there will be two Ezekiel 9’s. This, as we’ve posted before is  a very different teaching that what we as Rod believers have believed. But Sam shows once again Inspired references to back up his ideas, let’s go over them one by one.

Ezekiel 9:2 —
“And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer’s inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.” 

We have a better idea, instead of Sam interpreting what this reference says, let’s look at all the writings by the Lord’s Rod as to this Scripture.

  1. 2 TG, no.19, p.11 —  Ezek.9:2 left alone by the Rod
  2. 2 TG, no.42, p.32 — After quoting Ezek. 9:2 the Rod says–

“Besides this vivid illustration, Inspiration, through the prophet Daniel reveals that the Sanctuary is to be cleansed not only from sinners, but from doctrinal error, too,…”

3.  1 TG, no. 43, p.14-15 — After quoting Ezek. 9:2 the Rod says —

“Ezekiel’s prophecy plainly reveals that this cleansing work takes place in the church (in Jerusalem), in the time to separate the unfaithful from among the faithful, the time to destroy the “tares” (Matt. 13:30), to cast out the bad fish (Matt. 13:47-49), to purify the church (“Testimonies,” Vol. 5, pg. 80), to purify the ministry (Mal. 3:1-3); to cleanse the sanctuary (Dan. 8:14) — the Judgment work for the Living.  The Spirit of Prophecy in our day has this to say:

   “…But the days of purification of the church are hastening on apace.  God will have a people pure and true.  In the mighty sifting soon to take place, we shall be better able to measure the strength of Israel.”

4. 1 TG, no. 52, p.15-16 — After quoting Ezek. 9:2 the Rod says–

“Note that at the command of Lord, the angels in charge are to slay the sinners in Jerusalem (in the church), not in the world.  Only the abomination-hating ones, those who receive the mark for sighing and crying against the wrongs are to be left.”

5. 1 SR, p.26-27 — After quoting Ezek.9:2 the Rod says —

“It is positive that the sealing of the 144,000 is Ezekiel 9,–the separation (sifting in the church–the godly from the ungodly).” 

6. 2 TG, no.43, p.19-20 — After quoting Ezek. 2 the Rod says–

“Not in the world, but in Judah and Israel, in the church, the iniquity is great, and there the slaughter takes place.  Moreover, the multitude that is brewing and fostering the abominations are unconscious that they are acting as if the Lord had forsaken the earth, as if He has left it for them to run it and to do with His people as they please.

   Here you see what it means to hear the Rod, and what it means to close your ears to it.”

7. 1 TG, no.21, p.14-15 —  After quoting Ezek.9:2 the Rod says–

“The promise to purify Jerusalem, Judah and Israel stands as sure as any promise in the Word.  The terms, Jerusalem, Judah, Israel you know, cannot be applied to anything but to the church, the place where everyone should sigh and cry against abominations.  Those who do not sigh and cry are to be left without the mark, and then the angels who have charge of the church smite everyone of them — “old and young, both maids and little children, and women.”  Only those who have the mark shall be left.  They are the remnant.  The angels are thus to take care of both the wheat and the tares.”

8. 3 Tract, p.44-45 — After quoting Ezek. 9:2 the Rod says —

“Here the people are shown to be in a mixed state (tares and wheat commingled), with the time just ahead of them when on the one hand those who have sighed and cried for the abominations in their midst shall receive the mark of deliverance, while on the other hand those who have not sighed and cried shall be left without the mark, to perish (in their sins) under the angels’ slaughter weapons.

   From this separation — the one in the church — come forth the first fruits.

   Then follows the separation from among the nations, as seen in the parable of Matthew 25, prophetically describing Christ’s coming…”

The above Rod quotes leave no doubt that the subject of a pre-purification of Davidians is wholly private interpretation. Ezek. 9:2 is not supportive in ANY WAY to Sam’s conclusions–a false use of the Rod’s word.

Tract 3 , p.71 —

“The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.” Jer. 8:20.

This being the dreadful experience of the tares in Babylon, in the second section of the harvest, there must, as a type, be a similar and precedent experience for the tares in the Laodicean church, in the first section of the harvest, a parallel which shows conclusively that

The Church Is Not Babylon.

   The reason that the church is figuratively not “Babylon” is that it is called Jerusalem (Ezek. 9:4,8), and from among the good therein, the wicked (the tares) are destroyed, taken out, by the six men with the slaughter weapons (Ezek. 9:6-9), and then afterward the good (the wheat) are gathered in “the barn;” while from among the wicked in Babylon, the just (“My people”) are called out and gathered into the barn, and then the seven angels pour out the seven last plagues, and the remaining wicked are destroyed.”

Dear reader, correct us if we are missing anything, but Sam is using the above for proof of his two Ezekiel 9’s idea. Where in God’s green earth do we see this here?? This smacks of spiritual incompetency  and blindness. As this is so plain (two harvests and separations), we don’t need to provide further proof of this misplaced usage of the Rod by Sam.

SRod, vol. 2, p.185 —

“The knowledge of present truth, which the five foolish virgins possessed since 1844 is the judgment of the dead, and was the only oil in their lamps.  When the judgment of the living commenced, and the “cry was made,” they were found without this extra oil in their vessels; they had neglected their Lord’s command:

“Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.”  Thus when the wise ones started out to meet the bridegroom the lamps of the foolish went out, for, the judgment of the dead had passed.  Therefore, it was present truth no more, and thus they were left in darkness. 

At the beginning of the judgments of God they saw their mistake and rushed for the ark of safety, but it was beyond their reach for they knew nothing of the message, and by the time they acquired it (filled their lamps with oil), there had been a delay, the angel had passed “through the city, through Jerusalem,” the church — the sealing was finished, and probation for the church had closed — the door was shut. 

Thus they were left out.  Then they came with these words: “Lord, Lord, open unto us, But He answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.”  “Appoint his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 

Once again we see absolutely nothing here to provide proof of Sam’s ideas. On the contrary, it shows solid proof for what we as believers in the straight original Rod believe. The message of the hour–the straight unadulterated Rod– is our oil, our present truth. Not Sam’s twisted ideas made to push the unsuspecting down a false path into perdition!

There are about 80 Rod references to Matt. 25:1-13, and rest assured NOT ONE show any support for two purification (DSDA and SDA). It always shows two real ones — SDA and the world.

Next post we’ll finish with remaining references used by Sam. So far we have seen a castle built on sand, one that will surely crumble unless Sam and his followers awake before it’s too late.

Truth Blocked

30 Sep

 

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NOTE: Since we’ve made this post the comments have reappeared!  Someone with Bohr’s group apparently has read this post and reverted back the comments. However we do see that our comments (made by robp123451) continue to be mostly hid. You have to click “sort by” and then “newest first”.

Have you ever felt  shorted? You got the short end of the deal, or just flat out ripped off? Your voice negated unjustly? Come with us now and see Satan and his workers, doing their unholy deeds. Truth blocked and the path hindered.

The above picture is of the well known S.D.A leader Stephen Bohr. Recently as many of you know he sponsored a 10 part anti-Shepherd’s Rod series. Israel Rodriguez was his co partner in crime and we did a 10 part report on this site countering the patently false and misleading presentation by Rodriguez.

Well it seems that our reports rankled a few feathers within Bohr’s YouTube authorities. On each of the 10 reports we added a particular video presentation we were addressing, at the bottom of our report. In addition we decided to post a comment on the actual videos showing that we here at HearYeTheRod had a counter report that all could see.

Well, the comments stayed on there for a few  months , then we checked in to see any new comments and what do you know? ALL comments have been deleted and disabled! 

Amazingly, Bohr’s presentation had about 80% of the comments favorable to the presentation, yet still, because one little comment directed them to a counter report they shut down all comments. It now reads “chat is disabled for this livestream.”

To be sure, in a reviews of their hundreds of YouTube videos, we did not find any other videos with the chat disabled.

You see brethren, Satan hates the Truth so badly that his workers are instructed to BLOCK anything that hinders his unholy works. Such is the case with Bohr’s YouTube organization “secretsunsealed”. Should be “secrets manipulated”.

Such a pity that a so-called “Pastor” for God’s flock has to resort to a pitiful low and hide a counter report.

“Those who desire to doubt will have plenty of room. God does not propose to remove all occasion for unbelief. He gives evidence, which must be carefully investigated with a humble mind and a teachable spirit, and all should decide from the weight of evidence.” (Testimonies, vol. 5, p.675)

Now tell me Mr. Bohr, how can the people judge this message of the Rod (Micah 6:9) without having both sides investigated? Isn’t this the old proven and dis-honorable way of the Romanists for centuries? Hide the Bible and just hear what the authorities tell you?

You should be ashamed of yourself! But let it be known God will not be trifled with, He who sees all will someday ask for an account on this subversion of Truth–bet your life upon it!

The enemy has succeeded in perverting justice and in filling men’s hearts with the desire for selfish gain. “Justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.” Isaiah 59:14 (Testimonies vol. 3, p.11-12)

(See our posts entitled “Into the Viper’s Den” part 1 to 10.)

Squeeze Me Into a Kingdom Group, Please!

9 Sep

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“My Name is Joe Thosewith. I am a Seventh-day Adventist. I  fully believe that , though not privileged to be among the hundred and forty-four thousand, will go along with them to the kingdom. I will survive Ezek. 9 church judgment as an SDA member.

Why do I believe this? Because some of my fellow members, specifically some Davidian SDA’s,  in my church tell me so, they have shown me numerous quotes from the Rod,  that’s why!”

Ah, although the above is a fictitious statement by a fictitious fellow, it is nevertheless a truism being taught today in our midst. But let us once again review the idea of the “those with” S.D.A. survivors of the Ezek. 9 church judgment. This time we’ll look at it from a different angle.

In Vol. 3 of the Sym. Code we read, “,,there is no truth where there is no type..”.

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“Thus through types and symbols, He makes wise the simple and confounds the prudent by showing that where there is no type there is not truth.” (SRod, vol. 2, p.10)

As we have posted much on this topic, recently we were led to look a new at it because of a brother who contacted us. He is a steadfast believer and teacher of the “those with”. When we say this term “those with” we of course are referring to the teaching of others who will survive the Ezek. 9 church judgment over and above the 144,000. There will indeed by the true “those with” as we generally understand. These are the faithful SDA who have died and will be raised to be with the 144,000 in the kingdom to “take up the work once more.”

NOTE: the Rod makes mention of the possibility of some “those with” from the world outside the SDA as well (See Answerer, vol. 4  , Q-93).

Ok, as the title suggests we want to find which group the “those with” are to be a part of. In Tract 9, p.65-66 the Rod tells us that there will be FIVE groups in the kingdom. Not Six, Seven or Twenty but–Five. Let us read–

 Five Groups in the Kingdom.   “These groups are (1) the 144,000, Israelites the first fruits of the living, whose “nobles shall be of themselves,” and whose “governor shall proceed from the midst of them” (Jer. 30:21); they shall return to Jerusalem, and stand on Mount Sion with the Lamb; (2) those whom John saw, after the sealing of the 144,000, gathered from “all nations, and kindreds, and

Tract 9                            65

people, and tongues,” during the “great tribulation,”  the “time of trouble such as never was” — the great multitude who go to Jerusalem  before the resurrection; (3) those who arise to everlasting life in the resurrection of Daniel 12:2; (4) those Israelites who shall come forth in the resurrection of Ezekiel 37:1-14; (5) all who come in the resurrection of Revelation 20:6; — collectively, these are all the Israelites and Gentiles who shall return to Jerusalem, possess the promised land, and then the whole earth.”

Upon looking at them we see that the “those with”alive  are eliminated from group one obviously, as it would make the term “those with” a vain and useless thing. Likewise, they cannot be a part of group 3, 4, and 5. The only group which they can possibly fit into is group 2–the Great Multitude.

Now our duty is to search the Rod and find out if some SDA members can ever be considered part of the Great Multitude. Before we start, we know this is a stretch but this is all we can do to fit them in.

  1. “..the 144,000 are to be sealed first, being the firstfruits, and then by their ministry they are to bring the second fruits, “the great multitude,” and that both companies are living saints!” (1 SC, no. 18, p.8)
  2. This glorious ingathering we shall see in just a little while if we but now follow the Lord step by step as He leads ahead. But if we attempt to “run ahead,” we will either bring upon ourselves the time of trouble before we are ready to stand, or waste our time and means, only in the end to find that we have prematurely picked, and hence ruined, some of the precious second fruits in Babylon, the Gentile field, while leaving some of our church brethren, the first ripe fruits, to perish in their Laodicean condition. {7SC712 18.2}
  3. ” the gold…separated from the dross in the church ” (“Testimonies,” Vol. 5, p. 81), by the enforcement of the mark of the beast, cannot be the 144,000, the first fruits (“Testimonies to Ministers,” p. 445), but rather is the second fruits,–the great multitude of Rev. 7:9,–to whom, after the sealing of the 144,000, will come the test of choosing between the commandments of God and the commandments of men. {5SC612 9.1}         
  4. “Evidently the questioner has not carefully studied this subject. “The Shepherd’s Rod” explains that there are two siftings — one for the “first fruits” — the 144,000 — and the other for the second fruits — the great multitude. The former sifting is in the S.D.A. denomination, and is accomplished by casting out the bad from among the good (Matt. 13:48); the latter sifting takes place in the world, and is accomplished by calling God’s people out from among the bad.” (Rev.18:4). {2SC12 7.1}                                                                
  5. “Neither in logic nor in the Scriptures can there be found the slightest evidence that the “great multitude” of Revelation 7:9 is a resurrected company...they are a separate company which, as a body, must go through the same experience — great tribulation. {2SC12 7.8}                                                                         
  6. Though those whom the message first reached excused themselves, the latter class (the laity) responded to the call, and as “the servant said, Lord it is done as Thou hast commanded, and yet there is room,” shows that after the message shall first be delivered to the church, and gather one group of guests, it is then to go to the “highways and hedges” — the world, or outside of the church — and bring a second group. The 144,000 being the “firstfruits” (Rev. 14:4), it proves that those who came from the “highways and hedges” are the second fruits of Rev. 7:9. (1 SC, no11, 12, p.2)                                                                                         
  7. “And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from En-gedi even unto En-eglaim; they [the two cities] shall be a place to spread forth nets.” (Ezek. 47:10.)  These two cities reveal that the fish are caught in two places, En-gedi (S.D.A. church)  where the 144,000 are gathered — the first fruits.  En-eglaim (Babylon or the world) where the great multitude of Revelation 7:9 are gathered.  The diagram on the chart, page 294, represents the S.D.A. church (En-gedi) as it becomes the “House of David,” and the place of the river (En-eglaim) denotes the world.  The stream from the fountain where it first starts to the east gate, represents the 144,000, and the river stands for the great multitude.  “There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.  God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.” (Psa. 46:4, 5.) (SRod, vol. 2, p.297-298)                                                                                        
  8. The second fruits, however, those that are still in Babylon after the purification, are taken from among the bad (Rev. 18:4), rather than the bad from among the good (Matt. 13:49). (Tract 12, p.45)                                                               
  9. “..this great multitude is gathered from all nations, after the closing work for the church, and in the time of the great harvest. The palms in their hands signify victory over the beast and his image, death and the grave.” (Srod, vol. 2, p.166)

Brethren, we could go on with another 10-15 references but we think the point is made–the “those with” cannot be a part of the kingdom church. The Rod does not support as shown. We cannot fit this group anywhere including the great multitude.

So to address Joe Thosewith, please stop being hoodwinked and do what the Lord’s SOP and Rod tell you, “strive with all power”to be among that number. The “those with” teachers are not grounded upon the “more sure word of prophecy” and are presenting a fallacy.

“Let us strive with all the power that God has given us to be among the hundred and forty-four thousand. And let us do all that we can to help others to gain heaven.” (Review and Herald, March 9, 1905)

In closing our all-seeing Lord knew that there would be misconstrued ideas and theories in these very last days about the 144,000, let us stand on His sure word.

“The Enemy will try everything conceivable to confuse, becloud, and cover up the Truth, especially on the subject of the 144,000.” (WHR, p.33)

 

 

“We will not have this man to reign over us”

23 Aug

 

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In Luke 19:12-14 we read,

“He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

We as present truth believers know this parable, or should know it, as the Lord’s Rod tells us an important lesson —

  “The “certain nobleman” in this parable is Christ, Himself, Who, soon after His resurrection, departed to the heaven of heavens, “the far country,” to be crowned King of kings and Lord of lords.  His ten servants, who are to occupy till His coming, represent, manifestly, the ministry at the closing of the gospel dispensation.  And His citizens, accordingly, represent the laity —  the subjects of His kingdom.  Together, then, His servants and His citizens make up His entire kingdom — church.

   As they “sent a message after Him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us,” the only conclusion admissible is that shortly before His return, Christ shall inform His “citizens” that He is taking “the reins in His own hands” to set up His kingdom, and that they, upon hearing the announcement, shall refuse to submit themselves to the one through whom He is to rule.

   Observe that in the message which they “sent after Him,” his servants did not say, “We will not have You to reign over us,” but rather, “we will not have this man to reign over us.”  What they objected to was Christ’s reigning over them through someone else. 

Clearly, then, before He is coronated, and prior to His return to reckon with His servants, He appoints a “man” to reign over them in His stead.  Whereupon they say to Him, by their attitude and stand toward His message, “We will not have this man to reign over us,” although “this man,” as we now see, is the antitypical David (the “simple means”), the visible king. (Tract 8, p.70-71)

From the above we clearly see that a “man” is rejected by the Lord’s servants. And as students of the Rod, we also know that this lesson tells us of the rejection of brother Houteff to be the king. Some of that took place as prophesied while VTH was alive (rejected his message) but more importantly it is happening today by some so-called “Rod” believers! Allow us to explain.

Recently we heard from a brother who has been “in the message” a long time. Yet we were set aback as we read his note to us. We’ll call him “Slick Willie”.  Basically he was saying that brother Houteff cannot be the anti-typical king David in the kingdom.

He supported his assumptions with supporting references such as the Tract 9 showing 5 groups comprising the kingdom —

These groups are (1) the 144,000, Israelites the first fruits of the living, whose “nobles shall be of themselves,” and whose “governor shall proceed from the midst of them” (Jer. 30:21); they shall return to Jerusalem, and stand on Mount Sion with the Lamb;…” (Tract 9, p.65)

But he focused on the above because of the fact that it says”whose “governor shall proceed from the midst of them” statement, meaning that VTH cannot be the governor/antitypical king David because he will not be one of the 144,000.

Slick Willie was real confident and told me I had best learn this truth because I teach otherwise and was against the truth of the matter according to him.

I kindly responded that at first glance he brought up a very good point and that I would look into it. The Lord often sends us these opportunities to restudy the message and to get clearer on areas of it.

So we buckled down and researched this anew. Of course, and as we have shown many times our very first act, after prayer, is to open the SRod Scriptural Index. We needed to know what the Rod says about it before we say anything or post anything. This, as we have often pointed out, is VERY important to keep us in line with Inspiration.

By God’s grace, unlike a study of Jacob’s time of trouble or the King of the North study, which is very time-consuming, this study was fairly simple and the clear understanding of it not difficult to arrive at.

To start, commenting on Luke 19:14 an important Rod statement is made —

“To those, therefore, who accept Christ as their King, He is a Saviour, while to those who refuse to have Him rule over them (Luke 19:14), He is a destroyer.”(Tract 5, p.72) 

Here we see that the Rod places the “man” in Luke 19:14 as –Christ. But when we review the whole picture, we know that Christ rules “through” this man. In effect -two kings, the Greater and the lessor.

 “Since therefore from the “stem” of Jesse came the “rod” (David), and from the rod sprang the Branch (Christ), David the visible king and Christ the invisible King of kings shall “in that day” — in our time — constitute the “ensign,” and “to it shall the Gentiles seek: and His rest [or His resting place, — the location where the “rod” or ensign stands — the kingdom] shall be glorious.”  Yea “I will make the place of My feet glorious” (Isa. 60:13), saith the Lord.” (Tract 8, p.47)

“In the days of Moses and in the days of David, when the Lord had the work in His Own hands, He spoke to the people through Moses and through David, and thus He ruled. In like manner will He, at this time, rule the work when He takes the reins in His Own hands.” {4 SC, no.10-12 p. 6}

The Rod clearly shows us that brother Houteff is “this man” as well–

“They are saying by their actions, “Let me tell you how to teach your message” (“Testimonies to Ministers,” 476), notwithstanding that the Spirit of God has forewarned them in the following plain words: “There will be those among us who will always want to control the work of God, to dictate even what movements shall be made when the work goes forward under the direction of the angel who joins the third angel in the message to be given to the world.” — “Testimonies to Ministers,” p. 300. {1SC16 5.4}

  Those who fall in this temptation and pride of opinion are fulfilling Luke 19:14. At this time when Christ is “taking the reins in His own hands” they are, by their actions, sending a message to Him saying, “We will not have this man to reign over us.” {1SC16 5.5}

So the above establishes our first point of clarification that Victor Houteff is to “reign” over our Lord’s people.But there is even more compelling evidence.

“When the Church is thus purged of all her idols, then will she find eternal peace.

Hos. 2:18-22 — “And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.  And I will betroth thee unto Me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto Me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.  I will even betroth thee unto Me in faithfullness: and thou shalt know the Lord.  And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the Lord, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth; and the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel.”(TG, vol. 2, no.21, p.13-14)

Who does the Rod say is Jezreel?

Also if you know of other open-minded, free-thinking, Truth-seeking brethren, I shall appreciate your mentioning how many, and If they wish you may send in their names and addresses either for our mailing list or for a private interview, or for both. You may address me:

V. H. Jezreel, H. B.

Mt. Carmel Center

Waco, Texas” (Jezreel Leters, No.1, p.8)

Additionally, with slick Willie we needed to show the connection of brother Houteff to being the “one shepherd” and the “antitypical David”–the final king set up in the pre-mil. kingdom.

To establish this we showed —

“God does not forsake His flock. He tenderly calls them “My flock,” and reassures them that He is their God. He will, without fail set one shepherd to accomplish what a multitude of shepherds have failed to do. Now is your opportunity to feast on “meat in due season,” at the hand of God’s chosen shepherd, or starve on husks at the hand of a multitude of shepherds.” (2 TG, no. 2, p.23)

and–

“Ezek. 34:23, 24 — “And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even My servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the Lord will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I the Lord have spoken it.”

“The self-centered shepherds (GC leaders, ministers) against whom the prophet is told to write, are to be replaced by one shepherd, David. When this takes place God’s people will then have but one shepherd. This, of course, cannot be Christ Himself, for Inspiration never calls Him David, but rather It calls Him the Son of David. Since God’s people have always had, and still do have many shepherds, the truth stands out as clear as crystal that the David of verses 23 and 24 is yet to come, and that the shepherds whom Inspiration addresses are in particular those whom David is to succeed.”—Timely
Greetings, Vol. 2, No. 2, p. 14.

With these two references, as clear as words can make it we see that brother Houteff is the one shepherd and he will be the “David”. No good reader can escape this conclusion.

Ok, so we have established that VTH will be the anti-typical king David, but what group is he in? Plainly he will be from group 3.

Five Groups in the Kingdom.   These groups are (1) the 144,000, Israelites the first fruits of the living, whose “nobles shall be of themselves,” and whose “governor shall proceed from the midst of them” (Jer. 30:21); they shall return to Jerusalem, and stand on Mount Sion with the Lamb; (2) those whom John saw, after the sealing of the 144,000, gathered from “all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues,” during the “great tribulation,”  the “time of trouble such as never was” — the great multitude who go to Jerusalem  before the resurrection; (3) those who arise to everlasting life in the resurrection of Daniel 12:2; (4) those Israelites who shall come forth in the resurrection of Ezekiel 37:1-14; (5) all who come in the resurrection of Revelation 20:6; — collectively, these are all the Israelites and Gentiles who shall return to Jerusalem, possess the promised land, and then the whole earth.(Tract 9, p.65-66)

And we know that these resurrected ones have work to do in the kingdom —

“Your work, my work, will not cease with this life. For a little while we may rest in the grave, but, when the call comes, we shall, in the kingdom of God, take up the work once more.” (Testimonies, vol. 7, p.17)

Now, to address Jeremiah 30:21, the verse that slick Willie is relying on to prove that VTH will not be the anti-typical David.

Jer. 30:21-23 — “And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto Me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto Me?  saith the Lord.  And ye shall be My people, and I will be your God.  Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.”

Their nobles shall be of themselves; that is, this Kingdom shall be self-governing under theocracy.  The word “behold” calls attention to something that can be seen and therefore implies that the Lord’s whirlwind is already doing its work.  No wonder, then, that we are now having disturbance of all kinds, and heavy loss of life and property throughout the earth.” (TG, vol. 1, no.47, p.17-18)

It is noteworthy to notice that the Rod, throughout the writings does not address this issue of the “governor” as being anti-typical David. Also, as we now know the king is to be the one shepherd–Victor Houteff. So with that knowledge we must understand that this Scripture’s “governor” is someone other than the anti-typical king.

“This prophesied era of absolute righteousness, peace, and knowledge of God (in the kingdom)  under the reign of the “rod” (David) and of the “Branch” (Christ), must begin

Before the Close of Probation.” (Tract 9, p.45)

We are to believe that some new person is going to represent the Lord’s Rod in the kingdom?

Let us go back for a moment to Luke 19:14. It is said that the best way to expose someone’s false ideas is to run with that idea and see where it leads.

Let us assume that the parable does not point to VTH as the anti-Houteff for king proponents propose. Let us look closely to it again —

We know that while Jesus is away, the church rejects a message from the king who Jesus puts in charge. But as He is away the church let’s Him know that the man that He put over them to reign, they will not accept.

Ok the anti’s have two scenarios that must happen instead. One, another person with a message must now or shortly come on the scene and he too must be rejected by the church. Or two, after the Ezek. 9 church purification, the 144,000 in the kingdom must reject the man and his message that Christ puts in charge!

Now brethren , can we not see the foolishness of the parable pointing to someone else as the one to reign over Christ’s people?

Lastly we read —

“Since this is the addition to the “Third Angel’s Message” (“Early Writings,” p. 277) and since it is the message of the hour, consequently the day of the Davidian Kingdom is at hand.”

“David, My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in my judgments and observe My statutes, and do them.” (Ezek.37:24)

From the Rod there is no other identified as the anti-typical “shepherd- David” than Victor Houteff–search and see. And as the Davidian message is to go around the world, who else is more capable of reigning over this  than Victor Houteff?

Sadly slick Willie, and those like him may be in danger of fulfilling Luke 19:14, if they doesn’t wake up and ask for “eyesalve” from the Lord. This study is too clear to be mistaken.

"...an unseen supernatural force working through human beings, is taking advantage of every possible opportunity to bring in distraction and confusion and to scatter the power of thought and concentration.  They show that while one theorist is attempting to confuse one truth, another theorist is attempting to confuse another truth. 

So it is obvious that the enemy of God and men is determined one way or another to plunge the people into his deep pit.  To avert this terrible tragedy, the reader is therefore warned to turn aside from the writings of uninspired men and to take heed only to those who are inspired and unceasingly to watch and study everything that comes in the name of the Lord." (Tract 10. p.46)

Revisiting Jacob’s Time Of Trouble

29 Jul

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Similar to the study of the King of the North, this study is deep and can be complex. For this very reason, we as present truth believers often have differing views of this time of trouble.

A while back we did on our sister site Godsloveandlaw a 3 part post of this subject, but after hearing from a close brother who is at Mt. Dale, we thought we’d do an update post.

Jacob’s Time of Trouble (Part 1 of 3)

Apparently God’s Spirit of Truth is working over there among our brethren because according to this brother, they are re-considering their long-held view of Jacob’s time of trouble coming BEFORE Ezekiel 9 by some strange government confederacy persecuting us DSDA.

Many of us know that this belief comes from the “new codes” and originally promoted by a few older leaders in DSDA who bought into the “inspiration” idea of them and published by Florence Houteff.

When one reads them you can see that the trouble happens before the Ezek. 9 church judgment. But that leads to a timeline that is taught that we are to be ready for persecution among us DSDA, from the civil authorities in conjunction with our “Esaus” in the church.

However, there is just one major problem with this– it CONTRADICTS the original codes timeline of this trouble! Big problem. So this is apparently why Mt. Dale has decided to  convocate to restudy this issue. Keep them in prayer for the Truth to prevail.

Let us stop for a moment to remember our type, Jacob and Esau. In the Rod we know that this “trouble” is concerning Jacob’s returning home.

Jer. 30:7 — “Alas!  for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.”

   The people that have come to this antitypical time of trouble are returning to the homeland, are comforted.  Apparently it is bad enough to frighten all, but God’s encouraging counsel is, “Fear not.” (1 TG, no. 47, p.14)

Now when we remember Jacob, what was this trouble really about? Nothing! It was all in his mind, this was just “perceived” trouble–mental anquish. Esau never declared nor acted out any trouble to him. He had just rounded up hundreds of his fellow men to go greet Jacob.

So how can we today , especially those who follow the new codes, make up all sorts of scenarios, saying that us Jacobs “will be persecuted by the authorities, etc. etc.pre-Ezekiel 9” when in type no such persecution existed?!!

Rather it is much more believable that our mental anguish exist today with our Esaus throwing us out of church, slandering us, maliciously gossiping against us, etc. Let me tell you of an experience of my own Jacob’s trouble.

A few years back, the word got out that I was a “Shepherd’s Rod believer” in our church. Soon the head elder let people know that a special meeting was being called in our church and I heard that it was, among other things, going to be about me. A sort of warning meeting against me by the Elder.

I soon grew somewhat fearful and worried as the date approached. After all I had a excellent reputation in the church and now I was to be chastised for sticking up for the truth! This was truly mental anguish for me.

But what finally happened at the meeting? Nearly the whole crowd stood up for me! The elder ended up like a dog with his tail between his legs. The fear and anguish was needless!

This brethren is our time of Jacob’s trouble our mental anguish just as Jacobs had his. There is NO persecution involved here for us SDA or DSDA.

Now, we know that SOP does point to some trouble for the second fruits, their “Jacob’s trouble” but that is during the Loud Cry, not our time. How do we know this? Because Inspiration (Bible, SOP, Rod) tells us the 144,000 are guarded and protected as the final servants of God declaring the Loud Cry.

To reiterate our DSDA fundamental beliefs and Jacob’s timeline let us look at the following —

4. That the destruction of the tares from among the first fruits of the living (Matt. 13:30, 48, 49; Ezek. 9:6, 7) results in the purification of the church.

   5. That immediately thereafter, the angels let loose the four winds (Rev. 7:1-3), whereupon ensues the time of trouble and Michael’s standing up to deliver from

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it, all whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life (Dan. 12:1).

   6. That the angels’ letting loose the four winds to blow over the four corners of the earth (Rev. 7:1), does not anticipate a World war but rather a world wide decree enforced throughout Babylon by the image-beast, and that then no one may buy or sell save he who worships “the image.” Rev. 13:15-17.

   7. That subsequently, the time of Jacob’s trouble (Jer. 30:7) for the 144,000, the sons of Jacob, logically develops on their way home (Gen. 32:1, 24) to the land of their fathers (Ezek. 36:28; 37:21, 25).

   8. That the foregoing epochal event shall cause the 144,000 to have their names changed as did their father, Jacob (Gen. 32:28), and as a body receive a new name which the mouth of the Lord shall name (Isa. 62:2).

   9. That these events shall ultimate in the setting up of the Kingdom (Dan. 2:44; Isa. 2:1-4; Mic. 4; Ezek. 37), wherein the 144,000, those who follow the Lamb “withersoever He goeth” (Rev. 14:4), shall stand with Him on Mt. Zion (Rev. 14:1), and there “receive the forces of the GentiIes. ” Isa. 60:5, 11.

   10. That with this sequence of events will ensure the Loud Cry of the angel that lightens the earth with his glory (Rev. 18:1),

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as the other Voice cries, “Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” Rev. 18:4.

   11. That in response to this call, many nations will say: “Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.” Mic. 4:2.

   12. That the Voice will cease to cry when all the saints shall have been gathered out of all nations. Then shall “the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.” Amos 8:11, 12.

   13. That then will follow the dissolution of the world-wide organization of the image of the beast (Rev. 19:1-3), the close of the investigative judgment of the living (Rev. 15:5-8), the end of probationary time (Rev. 22:11), and the pouring out of the seven last plagues upon the wicked (Rev. 16).

   14. That under the seventh plague, the hosts arrayed for the battle of Armageddon

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will fight with, and will be decimated by, the armies of Heaven (Testimonies, Vol. 6, p. 406), and that Christ shall appear in all His glory, destroy the remaining wicked, resurrect the righteous dead (1 Thess. 4:15-17), and usher in the millennium (Rev. 20:5).

But one of the big arguments against this timeline (and supported by the new codes) is how can the “Esaus” those who are  members of Jacob’s family (the same SDA church) cause trouble to Jacob on his way home when they are dead from Ezek. 9? Very good question!

First, the Rod as shown in our sister site post speaks of the Esau trouble in VTH’s day and our day as well. This is a fact. Both of these time periods have experienced “civil” trouble directed from the Esaus in our church! Yours truly has experienced it when we protested and “sieged” the Las Vegas churches last year.

Second, once the gigantic war over Israel is done, there will be no doubt victorious armies there which may cause fearful concern to the Jacobs in their travel back to the Holy land.

Bottomline, the details are not as clear as we would like but we must stand on faith that our fundamental beliefs, our core as Davidians,  is solid and Truthful concerning the timeline of Jacob’s trouble.

To summarize, we know that our DSDA Jacob’s time of trouble is now, yet there will be more to come as it “develops” after Ezek. 9. The details are not clear as to what this trouble entails, but be assured it will all be “mental anguish” and not a literal persecution.

It will be as the Rod says —
“So when it all worked itself out, Jacob plainly saw that there was no need at all to have ever feared.”(1 TG, no. 47, p.15)

NOTE: For the sermon that deals directly with this Jacob’s time of trouble see 1 TG, no. 47, p. 12-18

http://shepherds-rod.org/TGvol1/1tg47.htm